Author: Uri Blass
Date: 07:56:28 06/27/05
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On June 27, 2005 at 09:01:45, Peter Skinner wrote: >On June 27, 2005 at 03:10:02, Drexel,Michael wrote: > >>I don´t understand your argumentation: >> >>Shredder is tuned for computer (absolutely correct) >> >>Hydra is tuned for human players (I don´t fully agree, it was probably only >>tuned for the Adams match) >> >>I don´t understand your conclusion Shredder therefore would get killed in such >a match. AFAIK know Hydra is a computer. >> >>Are you better informed than we are. Is Hydra a Turk with Bobby Fischer inside? >>:) >> >>Michael > >Shredder has already been destroyed once by Hydra. > >Sure the excuse has been offered that Shredder was a beta version and was >extremely buggy. (Why play such a match with a non-stable version escapes logic, >but ok... I'll buy it). It was not a non stable version but a version with bugs. The reply to your question why was already given. SMK did not know that it is buggy version. > >Even taking into account the "buggy version", Hydra dominated Shredder. It >simply played at a level that a non-buggy Shredder could perform at. It is >better tactically _and_ positionally. > >I would be willing to wager my kids to a Martha Stewart child labour factory >that even a "stable" Shredder wouldn't take a single game from the same machine >that faced Adams. From games that I have seen Shredder play at 120 0 on ICC vs >GM's way below the level of Adams, Hydra would kill it positionally. > >While I would love to see the match happen, I think Junior would be a much more >challenging opponent for Hydra. It is a positional program, and isn't just tuned >for computer play. > >Peter Junior is a positional program? I do not believe it for a moment. Junior is a fast searcher. Fast searcher cannot have a lot of knowledge in it's evaluation so Junior cannot be a positional program. Note that being a slow searcher does not mean that the program has a lot of knowledge in the evaluation(it even may have counter productive knowledge) so I do not say that shredder is a positional program but Junior is certainly not a positional program. Uri
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