Author: Drexel,Michael
Date: 08:09:58 06/27/05
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On June 27, 2005 at 09:01:45, Peter Skinner wrote: >On June 27, 2005 at 03:10:02, Drexel,Michael wrote: > >>I don´t understand your argumentation: >> >>Shredder is tuned for computer (absolutely correct) >> >>Hydra is tuned for human players (I don´t fully agree, it was probably only >>tuned for the Adams match) >> >>I don´t understand your conclusion Shredder therefore would get killed in such >a match. AFAIK know Hydra is a computer. >> >>Are you better informed than we are. Is Hydra a Turk with Bobby Fischer inside? >>:) >> >>Michael > >Shredder has already been destroyed once by Hydra. > >Sure the excuse has been offered that Shredder was a beta version and was >extremely buggy. (Why play such a match with a non-stable version escapes logic, >but ok... I'll buy it). > >Even taking into account the "buggy version", Hydra dominated Shredder. It >simply played at a level that a non-buggy Shredder could perform at. It is >better tactically _and_ positionally. It was positionally stupid as hell. Look at the Topalov-Hydra game where Hydra was better after the opening and got outplayed. The 1...a6 game posted by Pablo above (maybe only played with 1 FPGA card) also isn´t very impressive... Maybe you only think it was better positionally. In reality Shredder was inevitable lost in 2 games after it had left the book. > >I would be willing to wager my kids to a Martha Stewart child labour factory >that even a "stable" Shredder wouldn't take a single game from the same machine >that faced Adams. I assume this machine has already lost to Shredder during their tests. From games that I have seen Shredder play at 120 0 on ICC vs >GM's way below the level of Adams, Hydra would kill it positionally. Shredder has a very optimistic evaluation which seem to help against other engines but is sometimes a drawback against humans. Shredder certainly would have to be optimized to run on 8-way Opterons at least in order to have decent chances. Michael > >While I would love to see the match happen, I think Junior would be a much more >challenging opponent for Hydra. It is a positional program, and isn't just tuned >for computer play. > >Peter
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