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Subject: Re: Question about Chrilly's chess code background

Author: David Mitchell

Date: 20:12:52 06/27/05

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On June 26, 2005 at 21:29:30, K. Burcham wrote:

>
>
>I assume Chrilly wrote the Code for the Nimzo program.
>If this is true then what were his results from year to year when working with
>chess code against his competitors, Ed, Robert, etc...
>Was Chrilly winning some of the time, most of the time?
>How many times was Nimzo world champion?
>Is Chrilly an IM, GM..?
>
>How come all of a sudden this Chrilly has a program that some say beats
>shredder, all of the worlds top programmers, and now can beat the number 7 super
>GM in the world. You think people in any other sport can all of a sudden beat
>the worlds best, when they have proven in the past they do not have world class
>talent.
>
>Of course if someone has the stats to show me that Chrilly was already world
>class programmer and was winning against world class programmers---then I will
>have learned about Chrilly. I am like many here, I do not know. So I would like
>for some of the chess program history buffs to fill me in on this guy that is
>kicking ass at the top.
>
>Also, now that Chrilly is on top, Frederic would you please tell Chrilly to comb
>his hair---if it will not comb---have him use some hair gel.
>
>kburcham

iirc, Chrilly was one of the first to implement null move to help speed up the
search (somebody correct me if I'm wrong).

I believe the comparisons you're trying to make are meaningless. SMK might do
better than Chrilly on standard pc hardware chess programming, but not working
with Hydra's programmable boards in a "pseudo" cluster arrangement.

There is simply no "even" playing field where they may compete. Each is working
in a different platform. The only thing we can judge is their respective
strengths when they compete in a tournament, at that moment; always remembering
the errors possible in tournaments where the number of games played is very few
indeed.

Is Shredder running "deep" on the latest opteron box stronger than Deep Blue 2?
Is Hydra stronger than both of them?

Without direct competition involving many games, or against a common pool of
opponents, you may as well ask "how many angels can dance on the head of a
pin?".

As for an overnight success, I think the old saw about "it took several years to
become that overnight success", applies here. We have to applaud the support the
Hydra team has received to make this whole venture not just possible, but
successful. Like Deep Blue, Hydra surely was NO overnight success, and it surely
was NOT inexpensive!!

I believe we have to congratulate Hydra's whole team, (never mind C.D.'s hair),
and anxiously look forward to a great match up with a well-tuned and thoroughly
de-bugged Shredder, on a strong opteron (maybe 8 or 16 cpu), box.

If those, and others, (like Crafty), all get together for WCCC really geared up
strongly to battle for the title, that would be great!

Dave






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