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Subject: Re: Question about Chrilly's chess code background

Author: Drexel,Michael

Date: 23:42:29 06/28/05

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On June 28, 2005 at 18:16:44, Robin Smith wrote:

>On June 28, 2005 at 11:36:57, Drexel,Michael wrote:
>
>>On June 27, 2005 at 22:22:31, Robin Smith wrote:
>>
>>>On June 27, 2005 at 02:54:38, Drexel,Michael wrote:
>>>
>>>>On June 26, 2005 at 21:29:30, K. Burcham wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I assume Chrilly wrote the Code for the Nimzo program.
>>>>>If this is true then what were his results from year to year when working with
>>>>>chess code against his competitors, Ed, Robert, etc...
>>>>>Was Chrilly winning some of the time, most of the time?
>>>>>How many times was Nimzo world champion?
>>>>>Is Chrilly an IM, GM..?
>>>>
>>>>Chrilly is a weak chess player.
>>>
>>>True; but then most strong chess programmers are weak chess players.
>>>
>>>>He has also no respect for human GMs at all.
>>>
>>>Then why is a human GM on the Hydra team? What support can you give for this
>>>claim?
>>
>>I read more than once disrespectful comments about GMs from him. For example
>>after Bilbao.
>>
>>>
>>>>>How come all of a sudden this Chrilly has a program that some say beats
>>>>>shredder, all of the worlds top programmers, and now can beat the number 7 super
>>>>>GM in the world.
>>>>
>>>>It´s very easy. Start a match between Fruit 2.1 on a 2 GHz against Shredder 9 on
>>>>200 Mhz. Shredder wouldn´t have a chance.
>>>>
>>>>This Hardware will always produce very strong chess in open positions.
>>>
>>>Yes. It seems to do pretty well in semi-open positions as well. Maybe time will
>>>tell about closed positions (if Hydra ever allows them).
>>>
>>>>Crafty on that Hardware would smash Adams as well.
>>>
>>>Adams would have won all 6 games by forfeit, Crafty won't run on that hardware.
>>>:-)
>>
>>Bob can comment on this if he likes. I think it wouldn´t take him much time to
>>modify Crafty to run on a 64 Xeon processor cluster.
>>Certainly I talked only about the cluster without the FPGA cards.
>>
>>>
>>>>Chrilly is IMO a worse chess programmer than SMK or Amir Ban or Frans Morsch.
>>>
>>>SMK, Amir Ban, and Frans Morsch (and others) are excellent programmers. However
>>>Chrilly has produced the strongest chess playing entity ever created, so your
>>>strong statement needs strong proof. What is your evidence; just because
>>>Michael Drexel says it? Can you support all these claims with anything other
>>>than opinion?
>>>
>>>Besides Chrilly knows things most other programmers do not; he understands
>>>electronics hardware and as well as the software. This allows him to do things
>>>others can't, and to enter a realm where other skills besides the ability to
>>>program PC's becomes important. Using these skills allows him to do things other
>>>programmers can't, just like knowing how to program allows programmers to do
>>>things others can't. This hardly seems like a reason to bash Chrilly's skill or
>>>accomplishment. I don't think SMK, Amir Ban, or Frans Morsch could have done
>>>what Chrilly has done.
>>
>>I didn´t wrote and also do not think Chrilly is a worse programmer than the
>>above mentioned programmers. I wrote he is a worse chess programmer IMO.
>
>Sounds like spliting hairs to me.

Not at all. The best chess programmer is not necessarily the best programmer and
vice versa.

Michael

>>I assume he started to work on Brutus because he didn´t see much chances to be
>>competitive anymore with Nimzo.
>
>You know what they say about assumptions ..... ass_u_me (they make and ass out
>of u and me). I think it would be safe to say he started to work on Brutus
>because he wanted to. As to why only he can say; your assumption is only one of
>a long list of possibilites. I can think of a dozen different reasons.
>
>-Robin

>
>>Michael
>>
>>>
>>>-Robin
>>>
>>>>Michael
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You think people in any other sport can all of a sudden beat
>>>>>the worlds best, when they have proven in the past they do not have world class
>>>>>talent.
>>>>>Of course if someone has the stats to show me that Chrilly was already world
>>>>>class programmer and was winning against world class programmers---then I will
>>>>>have learned about Chrilly. I am like many here, I do not know. So I would like
>>>>>for some of the chess program history buffs to fill me in on this guy that is
>>>>>kicking ass at the top.
>>>>>
>>>>>Also, now that Chrilly is on top, Frederic would you please tell Chrilly to comb
>>>>>his hair---if it will not comb---have him use some hair gel.
>>>>>
>>>>>kburcham



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