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Subject: Re: Exchange sac

Author: Eelco de Groot

Date: 11:20:32 06/29/05

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On June 29, 2005 at 10:23:49, Richard Pijl wrote:

>The following position occurred in an ICC game between Amateur and the Baron
>[D]2r5/p2nnkNp/1pq1p1pP/3pPp2/2rP4/P1P3Q1/3B1PP1/R4RK1 b - -
>To my surprise Baron didn't hesitate to sac the exchange on c3 and won the game,
>probably partly because Amateur didn't handle the endgame too well (exchange of
>queens was probably not a good idea).
> ply       time        nodes   score  pv
>  8(13)+   0:01.21    154487   -0.11  Rc4xc3 (Bd2xc3) (Qc6xc3) (Qg3-f4) (Rc8-c4)
>
>                                      (Rf1-d1) (Ne7-c6)
>  8(13)&   0:01.32    182496   -0.05  Rc4xc3 Bd2xc3 Qc6xc3 Qg3-f4 Rc8-c4
>                                      Rf1-d1 Ne7-c6 Ra1-c1 (Qc3xa3)
>  8(13).   0:01.54    228566   -0.05  Rc4xc3 Bd2xc3 Qc6xc3 Qg3-f4 Rc8-c4
>                                      Rf1-d1 Ne7-c6 Ra1-c1 (Qc3xa3)
>  9(14)&   0:02.31    410928   -0.10  Rc4xc3 Bd2xc3 Qc6xc3 Qg3xc3 Rc8xc3
>                                      Rf1-c1 Rc3-c6 Ra1-b1 a7-a5
>  9(14).   0:02.75    507685   -0.10  Rc4xc3 Bd2xc3 Qc6xc3 Qg3xc3 Rc8xc3
>                                      Rf1-c1 Rc3-c6 Ra1-b1 a7-a5
> 10(15)&   0:04.40    898270   -0.09  Rc4xc3 Bd2xc3 Qc6xc3 Qg3-f4 Rc8-c4
>                                      Rf1-d1 Ne7-c6 Ra1-c1 Qc3xa3 Rc1-b1
> 10(15).   0:04.67    963660   -0.09  Rc4xc3 Bd2xc3 Qc6xc3 Qg3-f4 Rc8-c4
>                                      Rf1-d1 Ne7-c6 Ra1-c1 Qc3xa3 Rc1-b1
> 11(17)&   0:10.22   2126162   +0.02  Rc4xc3 Bd2xc3 Qc6xc3 Qg3-f4 Qc3-d3
>                                      Ra1-c1 Rc8-c4 Rc1xc4 d5xc4 g2-g4 Qd3xa3
>                                      g4xf5 (Ne7xf5)
> 11(17).   0:11.26   2371526   +0.02  Rc4xc3 Bd2xc3 Qc6xc3 Qg3-f4 Qc3-d3
>                                      Ra1-c1 Rc8-c4 Rc1xc4 d5xc4 g2-g4 Qd3xa3
>                                      g4xf5 (Ne7xf5)
> 12(18)&   0:23.35   4924705   +0.05  Rc4xc3 Bd2xc3 Qc6xc3 Qg3-f4 Rc8-c4
>                                      Rf1-d1 Nd7-c5 Ra1-c1 Nc5-d3 Rc1xc3 Nd3xf4
>                                      Rc3-b3
> 12(18).   0:25.87   5454433   +0.05  Rc4xc3 Bd2xc3 Qc6xc3 Qg3-f4 Rc8-c4
>                                      Rf1-d1 Nd7-c5 Ra1-c1 Nc5-d3 Rc1xc3 Nd3xf4
>                                      Rc3-b3
> 13(20)&   0:56.30  10926628   +0.13  Rc4xc3 Bd2xc3 Qc6xc3 Qg3-f4 Rc8-c4
>                                      Rf1-d1 Ne7-c6 Ra1-c1 Qc3-b3 g2-g4 Nd7xe5
>                                      g4xf5 Ne5-f3 Kg1-g2
> 13(20).   1:05.48  12854192   +0.13  Rc4xc3 Bd2xc3 Qc6xc3 Qg3-f4 Rc8-c4
>                                      Rf1-d1 Ne7-c6 Ra1-c1 Qc3-b3 g2-g4 Nd7xe5
>                                      g4xf5 Ne5-f3 Kg1-g2
> 14(22)&   3:03.13  27705221   -0.03  Rc4xc3 Bd2xc3 Qc6xc3 Qg3-f4 Rc8-c4
>                                      Rf1-d1 Nd7-c5 Ra1-c1 Qc3-b3 Rc1-b1 Qb3-c3
>                                      Rb1-a1 Nc5-e4 f2-f3
> 14(22).   4:04.20  38905297   -0.03  Rc4xc3 Bd2xc3 Qc6xc3 Qg3-f4 Rc8-c4
>                                      Rf1-d1 Nd7-c5 Ra1-c1 Qc3-b3 Rc1-b1 Qb3-c3
>                                      Rb1-a1 Nc5-e4 f2-f3
>
>Game:
>
>[Event "ICC 5 3"]
>[Site "Internet Chess Club"]
>[Date "2005.06.29"]
>[Round "-"]
>[White "Amateur"]
>[Black "thebaron"]
>[Result "0-1"]
>[ICCResult "White resigns"]
>[WhiteElo "2706"]
>[BlackElo "2752"]
>[Opening "French: Winawer, classical variation"]
>[ECO "C18"]
>[NIC "FR.11"]
>[Time "09:37:14"]
>[TimeControl "300+3"]
>
>1. d4 e6 2. e4 d5 3. Nc3 Bb4 4. e5 c5 5. a3 Bxc3+ 6. bxc3 Qc7 7. Qg4 f5 8.
>Qg3 cxd4 9. cxd4 Ne7 10. Bd2 O-O 11. Bd3 b6 12. Ne2 Ba6 13. Nf4 Qd7 14. h4
>Bxd3 15. Qxd3 Rc8 16. h5 Rc4 17. c3 Qc6 18. Qg3 Nd7 19. h6 g6 20. Nh5 Kf7
>21. Ng7 Rc8 22. O-O Rxc3 23. Bxc3 Qxc3 24. Qxc3 Rxc3 25. Rfc1 Rc4 26. Rxc4
>dxc4 27. Rc1 b5 28. Rb1 a6 29. Kf1 Nb6 30. Ke2 Nbd5 31. Rh1 Nc6 32. Rc1
>Nxd4+ 33. Ke1 c3 34. g3 a5 35. g4 fxg4 36. Rb1 b4 37. axb4 axb4 38. Kd1 c2+
>{White resigns}
>0-1

I'm not sure the exchange sac is entirely correct, Richard?

Several Pro Deo versions after a deep think settle on 22..Qc7 and none of them
consider 22..Rxc3

Pro Deo 1.1 Vulcan {9i9p}

00:00:00.2	-0,68	3	1540	Kf8 Qg5 b5
00:00:00.2	-0,73	4	2506	Kf8 Qg5 b5 Rab1
00:00:00.2	-0,67	5	5205	Kf8 Qg5 b5 Rab1 Qa6
00:00:00.2	-0,65	6	17185	Kf8 Qg5 b5 Rab1 Qa6 f3
00:00:00.3	-0,71	7	36410	Kf8 Qg5 b5 Rab1 Qb6 f3
00:00:00.4	-0,68	8	100248	Kf8 Rab1 b5 Qh4 a5 Rfe1
00:00:00.6	-0,68	9	350522	Kf8 Qg5 b5 Rab1 Qb6 f3 a5 g3 Qc7
00:00:01.0	-0,74	10	698466	Kf8 Qg5 b5 Rfb1 Ng8 Ra2 Nb6 Rab2 a6
00:00:01.9	-0,71	10	1548125	b5 Qg5 Ng8 Rab1 Kf8 g3 Ra4 Rb2
00:00:04.9	-0,69	11	4395277	b5 Qg5 Kf8 Rab1 Ng8 g3 Ra4 f3 a5 Rb3 Rc4
00:00:09.3	-0,72	12	8667923	b5 Qg5 Kf8 Rab1 a6 f3 Ng8 g4 Ne7 gxf5 Nxf5
00:00:41.4	-0,87	13	41036946	b5 Qg5 a5 Rab1 Kf8 Rb2 Ra4 Ra2
00:01:19.4	-0,85	13	78757938	Rf8 Qg5 Nc8 g4 Nc5 gxf5 exf5 f3 Nb3
00:02:25.2	-0,95	14	145361447	Rf8 Qg5 Nc8 f4 Qc7
00:03:06.7	-0,88	14	187824832	b5 Qg5 Qa6 Rfb1 Kf8 Ra2 Qc6 Qh4 Ng8
00:04:43.0	-0,77	14	284216573	Qc7 Qg5 Qd8 Rab1 Kg8
00:05:10.7	-0,77	14	311610256	Qa8
00:05:13.5	-0,73	14	314334887	Qa8 a4
00:06:22.6	-0,84	15	388713770	Qa8 a4
00:15:10.6	-0,80	15	936181604	Qc7 a4 Nc6 Qg5

Pro Deo 1.1 Vulcan Q1e - Tactical Engine

00:00:00.2	-5,54	1	37	Rxc3 Bxc3 Qxc3
00:00:00.2	-0,78	1	40	Kg8
00:00:00.2	-1,00	2	182	Kg8 Nh5
00:00:00.2	-1,63	3	997	Kg8 Qg5 Kf8
00:00:00.2	-1,25	3	1583	Kf8 Qg5 f4 Qxf4+
00:00:00.3	-1,34	4	2856	Kf8 Qg5 f4 g4
00:00:00.3	-1,25	5	11371	Kf8 Qh4 f4 Qxf4+ Nf5
00:00:00.3	-1,33	6	29429	Kf8 Qg5 b5 Rab1 f4 g4
00:00:00.4	-1,31	7	89010	Kf8 Qg5 b5 Rfb1 Qa6 Nxe6+ Qxe6 Rxb5
00:00:00.6	-1,36	8	284023	Kf8 Qg5 b5 Rfb1 Qa6 g3 R4c7 f3
00:00:01.1	-1,43	9	784953	Kf8 Qg5 b5 Rfb1 Qa6 f3 R4c7 g3 Rc4 Nxe6+ Qxe6 Rxb5
00:00:02.5	-1,43	10	2136026	Kf8 Qg5 b5 Rfb1 a6 a4 bxa4 Qh4 f4 Qxf4+
00:00:08.3	-1,70	11	8230378	Kf8 Rfb1 Ng8 a4 Nb8 Bc1 Nd7 Qg5 Nc5 Ba3 Qd7 dxc5
00:00:14.5	-1,57	11	14537865	b5 Qg5 Kf8 Rab1 a6 Rb4 Qb6 Rfb1 R4c7 f3 f4 Qxf4+
00:00:17.4	-1,33	11	17669215	Rf8 Qg5 Nc8 f3 Kg8 g4 f4 Nh5 b5 Nxf4
00:00:22.6	-1,46	12	23420887	Rf8 Qg5 Nc8 f3 Kg8 g4 f4 Nh5 Rf7 Nxf4 Ne7 Rab1 b5
00:00:35.3	-1,74	13	37789752	Rf8 Qg5 Nc8 f3 Kg8 Nh5 Kh8
00:03:47.3	-1,69	13	248791283	Qc7 Rfb1
00:09:00.2	-1,71	14	608154374	Qc7 Qh4 Rc6 Rfb1 Kf8

after 22..Rxc3 Vulcan Q1e expects 23.Qg5 which fails low but then is still at
+2.5 for White

00:00:00.2	5,64	1	7	Bxc3 Qxc3
00:00:00.2	4,25	2	198	Bxc3 Kg8
00:00:00.3	3,68	3	1079	Bxc3 Qxc3
00:00:00.3	3,68	4	4070	Bxc3 Qxc3
00:00:00.3	3,84	5	10715	Bxc3 Qxc3
00:00:00.3	4,00	6	59914	Bxc3 Qxc3
00:00:00.4	4,30	7	124198	Bxc3 Qxc3
00:00:00.4	4,30	8	174929	Bxc3 Qxc3
00:00:00.7	2,46	9	556496	Bxc3 Qxc3
00:00:01.6	3,92	9	1419653	Qg5 Rc2 Rac1 Rxc1 Rxc1 a6 Rxc6
00:00:02.8	3,94	10	2721381	Qg5 Rc4 Bb4 Ng8 Bd6 Rxd4 Rac1 Rg4 Qe3
00:00:17.2	3,04	11	18913928	Qg5 Rc2 Bb4 Ng8 Rfe1 Nxh6 Qxh6 Kg8 Bd6
00:00:40.4	3,15	12	45492558	Qg5 Rc2 Bb4 Ng8 Rfe1 Nxh6 Qxh6 Kg8 Bd6
00:02:10.8	2,91	13	156897133	Qg5 Rc4 Bb4 Ng8 Rfe1 Rxd4 Nxf5 exf5 e6+ Qxe6 Rxe6
Kxe6 f4 Ne5
00:04:25.0	3,18	14	321541125	Qg5 Rc2 Rfc1 Rxc1+ Rxc1 Re8 Rxc6 Nxc6
00:21:30.9	2,49	15	1617974682	Qg5 Rc4 Bb4 Ng8 Rfe1 Rxd4 f3 Nc5


Pro Deo 1.1 Ripley after 22.0-0

00:00:00.2	-3,81	1	16	Nxe5 dxe5
00:00:00.2	-2,74	1	156	Rxc3 Bxc3 Qxc3
00:00:00.2	-0,40	1	159	Kg8
00:00:00.2	-0,45	2	331	Kg8 Rab1
00:00:00.2	-0,80	3	1057	Kg8 Qg5 Kf8
00:00:00.2	-0,69	3	1540	Kf8 Qg5 b5
00:00:00.2	-0,74	4	2516	Kf8 Qg5 b5 Rab1
00:00:00.2	-0,68	5	5997	Kf8 Qg5 b5 Rab1 Qa6
00:00:00.3	-0,66	6	19671	Kf8 Qg5 b5 Rab1 Qa6 f3
00:00:00.3	-0,71	7	59856	Kf8 Qg5 b5 Rab1 Qb6 f3
00:00:00.4	-0,66	8	175496	Kf8 Qg5 b5 Rab1 a5 f3 Qa6 g3
00:00:00.7	-0,66	9	419197	Kf8 Qg5 b5 Rab1 a5 f3 Qa6 Rfe1 R4c7
00:00:01.1	-0,74	10	817316	Kf8 Qg5 b5 Rab1 a6 Rb3 Ng8 Rfb1 Nb6
00:00:02.0	-0,60	10	1698104	Rf8 Qg5 Nc8 g4 f4 Bxf4 Kg8 Bd2 b5
00:00:03.4	-0,68	11	3099950	Rf8 Qg5 Nc8 g4 Kg8 gxf5 exf5 f3 f4 e6 Nf6 Qxf4
00:00:07.0	-0,62	12	6795232	Rf8 Qg5 Nc8 Rab1 b5 g4 f4 Qxf4+ Kg8 Qh2 Rf7
00:00:17.0	-0,60	13	17576429	Rf8 Qg5 Nc8 Rab1 b5 Rfe1 Kg8 Nh5 Rf7 Nf4 Ne7 Qh4
00:02:20.7	-0,89	14	147231175	Rf8 Qg5 Nc8 f3 Kg8 Nh5 b5 Be1 a6 Nf6+
00:12:39.1	-0,56	14	768993795	Qc7 Qh4 Nc6 Bg5


22..Qa8 is close in eval:

Pro Deo 1.1 Vulcan {9i9r}

00:08:17.9	-0,79	15	509940894	Qa8 a4 R8c6

Pro Deo 1.1 Vulcan {9i9s}

00:04:48.4	-0,77	15	298886064	Qa8 a4 R8c6 Rfb1 a6 Qh4 Kf8 Rb4 a5 Rxc4 dxc4 Rb1
Nd5 f3




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