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Subject: Re: Commercial program shouldn't suppport any engine protocols

Author: Dann Corbit

Date: 09:17:27 07/05/05

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On July 05, 2005 at 08:41:25, Madhavan wrote:

>Its better to release a standalone engine with its own GUI,when a programmer
>gives protocol support for engines,his programming economy decreases.

Utter nonesense.

>It's either of 2 reasons,programmer will obtain less amount or testers do tests
>reporting result and detecting bugs.

Utter nonesense.

>player 'd too become a tester,sometimes he gets bored always being engine's
>victim.

Almost all tests are engine verses engine.  People who get bored getting bashed
by a machine will not suddenly become enthralled because you put a new face on
it.

>I'd like to know if there are anyone who play chess with chessbase and who don't
>test engines?

I do.

>I happen to know that there are many people out there who dont know what's
>computer chess or that computer program can play with another program by
>protocol.that would be chessmaster buyers.

I know "what's computer chess" and that a computer can play another program.
I own chessmaster (I have bought many versions).
Therefore, your foundation is false.

>Ironically if you ask someone "do you know Deep Junior"? "Shredder"?
>probable answer is "I don't know,what it it?"

Is there a point in that statement somewhere?

>If you ask some CD buyers "Do you know chessmaster"
>most probably the response from them would turn out to be positive

Well, you can get ChessMaster at the local Fred Meyers or Circuit City.  You
won't find Shredder or Deep Junior there.  So the result is entirely
unsurprising.  Clearly, the sales of ChessMaster are far more than all the
others put together.

>you bet.
>
>Do you agree with the idea of releasing chess program that should come with its
>own GUI?

Do you agree that reinventing the wheel when there are already Ferraris running
up and down the street is a bad idea?

>so.is vincent planning to exactly do this?or also Bruce?may be.

Bruce and Vincent have both written their own GUI.

>having more chess GUI's seems to be interesting,we have enough chess
>engines.

That's like saying "We have enough money.  No need for some more."

>what do you expect to have?many chess engine,some clones can be
>detected.

What is the point of the above fragment?

>I don't understand why anyone would reject this idea?

Because it is a bad idea.  Writing a GUI is much harder than writing a chess
engine (a good one, that is).

That is why we have 350 chess engines and 35 GUIs.  The GUI is ten times as hard
to write.

I think a far, far better idea than to write new GUIs is to improve existing
ones.

Jose, Winboard, and Scid are public projects.  Any of those would be a good
place to start.



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