Author: Madhavan
Date: 22:43:45 07/05/05
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On July 05, 2005 at 12:17:27, Dann Corbit wrote: >On July 05, 2005 at 08:41:25, Madhavan wrote: > >>Its better to release a standalone engine with its own GUI,when a programmer >>gives protocol support for engines,his programming economy decreases. > >Utter nonesense. Wouldn't you say Chess Genius profits more than a chess engine,because it has its own GUI. >>It's either of 2 reasons,programmer will obtain less amount or testers do tests >>reporting result and detecting bugs. > >Utter nonesense. Let me get this straight to you,If you make your beowulf engine commercial,with engine alone and not GUI,then you will get a few amount and testers who bought the engine will do tests and report bugs to you,they don't play with your engine Don't say "how do you know",its fact. >>player 'd too become a tester,sometimes he gets bored always being engine's >>victim. > >Almost all tests are engine verses engine. People who get bored getting bashed >by a machine will not suddenly become enthralled because you put a new face on >it. you bet,Let's explain chess program vs chess program to some buyer that doesnt know it,he buys software for playing with it.then when he knows comp vs comp chess is possible,he will too test thereby losing interest playing with engines >>I'd like to know if there are anyone who play chess with chessbase and who don't >>test engines? > >I do. you don't play,you only watch.I know that. like what's going on in a boring film of engine vs engine. >>I happen to know that there are many people out there who dont know what's >>computer chess or that computer program can play with another program by >>protocol.that would be chessmaster buyers. > >I know "what's computer chess" and that a computer can play another program. >I own chessmaster (I have bought many versions). >Therefore, your foundation is false. big question must be If a chess player owns a chessmaster,its better to play with it than to let chessmaster hooking it to protocol and pitting it against other program,the player wastes his time and he may not be able to gain ratings >>Ironically if you ask someone "do you know Deep Junior"? "Shredder"? >>probable answer is "I don't know,what it it?" > >Is there a point in that statement somewhere? Yes,why don't you realize? wake up your idea. the point is chessmaster[with own GUI] is more popular when you compar it with junior which comes with engine alone popular chess engine celebrity,I might add. >If you ask some CD buyers "Do you know chessmaster" >>most probably the response from them would turn out to be positive > >Well, you can get ChessMaster at the local Fred Meyers or Circuit City. You >won't find Shredder or Deep Junior there. So the result is entirely >unsurprising. Clearly, the sales of ChessMaster are far more than all the >others put together. I asked many people here,they seem ignorant,asking what junior is? >>you bet. >> >>Do you agree with the idea of releasing chess program that should come with its >>own GUI? > >Do you agree that reinventing the wheel when there are already Ferraris running >up and down the street is a bad idea? You just can't compare A with B,chess is indoor,formula 1 racing is outdoor. >>so.is vincent planning to exactly do this?or also Bruce?may be. > >Bruce and Vincent have both written their own GUI. wait and see.they will be profiting more with their programs than a engine commercial like ktulu and patriot. >>having more chess GUI's seems to be interesting,we have enough chess >>engines. > >That's like saying "We have enough money. No need for some more." Commercial economy,do you want to make more money by selling your engine? releasing GUI is the only way >>what do you expect to have?many chess engine,some clones can be >>detected. > >What is the point of the above fragment? more chess engine like Toga already reaching its strenght and doesn't have GUI graphics etc and doesnt teach you a thing and crushes you. >>I don't understand why anyone would reject this idea? > >Because it is a bad idea. Writing a GUI is much harder than writing a chess >engine (a good one, that is). much harder,then much popular and best selling would be a good description >That is why we have 350 chess engines and 35 GUIs. The GUI is ten times as hard >to write. 35 GUI's?How about idea of selling DIEP with simplest and easy to code GUI like the one with neurosis? this sure can boost the economy and popularity.hooking it to support UCI is crap. >I think a far, far better idea than to write new GUIs is to improve existing >ones. > >Jose, Winboard, and Scid are public projects. Any of those would be a good >place to start.
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