Author: Uri Blass
Date: 01:38:36 07/06/05
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On July 05, 2005 at 12:17:27, Dann Corbit wrote: >On July 05, 2005 at 08:41:25, Madhavan wrote: > >>Its better to release a standalone engine with its own GUI,when a programmer >>gives protocol support for engines,his programming economy decreases. > >Utter nonesense. > >>It's either of 2 reasons,programmer will obtain less amount or testers do tests >>reporting result and detecting bugs. > >Utter nonesense. > >>player 'd too become a tester,sometimes he gets bored always being engine's >>victim. > >Almost all tests are engine verses engine. People who get bored getting bashed >by a machine will not suddenly become enthralled because you put a new face on >it. > >>I'd like to know if there are anyone who play chess with chessbase and who don't >>test engines? > >I do. > >>I happen to know that there are many people out there who dont know what's >>computer chess or that computer program can play with another program by >>protocol.that would be chessmaster buyers. > >I know "what's computer chess" and that a computer can play another program. >I own chessmaster (I have bought many versions). >Therefore, your foundation is false. > >>Ironically if you ask someone "do you know Deep Junior"? "Shredder"? >>probable answer is "I don't know,what it it?" > >Is there a point in that statement somewhere? > >>If you ask some CD buyers "Do you know chessmaster" >>most probably the response from them would turn out to be positive > >Well, you can get ChessMaster at the local Fred Meyers or Circuit City. You >won't find Shredder or Deep Junior there. So the result is entirely >unsurprising. Clearly, the sales of ChessMaster are far more than all the >others put together. > >>you bet. >> >>Do you agree with the idea of releasing chess program that should come with its >>own GUI? > >Do you agree that reinventing the wheel when there are already Ferraris running >up and down the street is a bad idea? > >>so.is vincent planning to exactly do this?or also Bruce?may be. > >Bruce and Vincent have both written their own GUI. > >>having more chess GUI's seems to be interesting,we have enough chess >>engines. > >That's like saying "We have enough money. No need for some more." > >>what do you expect to have?many chess engine,some clones can be >>detected. > >What is the point of the above fragment? > >>I don't understand why anyone would reject this idea? > >Because it is a bad idea. Writing a GUI is much harder than writing a chess >engine (a good one, that is). > >That is why we have 350 chess engines and 35 GUIs. The GUI is ten times as hard >to write. > >I think a far, far better idea than to write new GUIs is to improve existing >ones. > >Jose, Winboard, and Scid are public projects. Any of those would be a good >place to start. I think that it may be a good idea if someone extend this projects to allow teaching. One of the problems of part of the weak players is simply that they do not remember the squares of the board and they copy the file and the rank of the square from the board(I know that in some tournament a player wrote 1.d5 as the first move of white only because the board was not put correctly and white pieces were at 7-8 ranks and note that he has rating near 1500 so he is not extremely weak player). I think that it is possible to train them to remember by questions. Maybe one of the commercial already does it but it will be good if some free program does it. I think we only need to allow engines to tell winboard some commands. commands that it is a good idea to see are commands of the following type: 1)setup-fen 7k/5Pp1/6P1/8/8/RPr4K/2PPPPP1/8 w - - 0 1 Winboard shows the relevant diagram 2)setup-question what is the square of the black rook? winboard shows the user the question and the user can answer When the user types the answer (c3) winboard sends it to the engine and it sends also the time that the user needed to find it and the engine can continue the teaching job and ask questions. Uri
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