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Subject: Re: Human pattern recongnition still superior

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 02:58:30 07/08/05

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On July 07, 2005 at 23:30:38, Pablo Ignacio Restrepo wrote:

>Shredder 9.02 UCI: 17.1 ply; 478kN/s  AuthenticAMD 2167MHz, (1 threads)
>
>What about that?
>
>I am not a master,not tittle player, not federation, not publication, just
>playing for fun, as a hobby player,  and as a  simple amateur.

Shredder blundered

Here is example for one of shredder's mistakes but it was probably too late to
win the game at that point.

It seems that fruit has evaluation of open files when shredder does not have it.

Father - Pizza Margherita, Rated game, 15m + 0s 2005
[D]2r5/4k2r/3bp3/1p1p1p2/p1pP1Ppp/P1P1P1P1/1P2R2P/4BRK1 b - - 0 1

Analysis by Fruit 2.1:

28...hxg3 29.hxg3
  µ  (-1.07)   Depth: 1/2   00:00:00
28...hxg3 29.hxg3 Kf6
  µ  (-1.33)   Depth: 2/6   00:00:00
28...hxg3 29.hxg3 Kf6 30.Bd2
  µ  (-1.11)   Depth: 3/8   00:00:00
28...hxg3 29.Bxg3 Kf6 30.Kg2 Kg6
  µ  (-1.27)   Depth: 4/12   00:00:00
28...hxg3 29.Bxg3 Kf6 30.Kg2 Kg6 31.Rd2
  µ  (-1.24)   Depth: 5/12   00:00:00
28...hxg3 29.Bxg3 Kf6 30.Kg2 Kg6 31.Rd2 Kf6
  µ  (-1.22)   Depth: 6/14   00:00:00  8kN
28...hxg3 29.Bxg3 Kf7 30.Kg2 Kf6 31.Rd2 Kg6 32.Rg1
  µ  (-1.21)   Depth: 7/15   00:00:00  22kN
28...hxg3 29.Bxg3 Kf7 30.Kg2 Kg6 31.Rd2 Ra8 32.Rg1 Rc8
  µ  (-1.21)   Depth: 8/15   00:00:00  34kN
28...hxg3 29.Bxg3 Kd7 30.Kg2 Kc6 31.Rd2 Kb6 32.Rg1 Rg8 33.Rf1
  µ  (-1.23)   Depth: 9/20   00:00:01  83kN
28...hxg3 29.Bxg3 Kf6 30.Kg2 Kg6 31.Rd2 Ra8 32.Rg1 Kf6 33.Rf1 Rc8
  µ  (-1.22)   Depth: 10/20   00:00:01  150kN
28...hxg3 29.Bxg3 Kf6 30.Kg2 Rch8 31.Rd2 Ra8 32.Rg1 Rc8 33.Rf1 Kg6 34.Rg1
  µ  (-1.21)   Depth: 11/20   00:00:01  278kN
28...hxg3 29.Bxg3 Kd7 30.Kg2 Kc6 31.Rh1 Rch8 32.Rg1 Rg8 33.Rc2 Kb6 34.Rd2 Rc8
  µ  (-1.21)   Depth: 12/20   00:00:01  581kN
28...hxg3 29.Bxg3 Kd7 30.Kg2 Kc6 31.Rh1 Rch8 32.Rg1 Rg8 33.Rc2 Kb6 34.Re2 Rc8
35.Rd2
  µ  (-1.21)   Depth: 13/25   00:00:01  891kN
28...hxg3 29.Bxg3 Kd7 30.Kg2 Kc6 31.Rh1 Rch8 32.Rg1 Rg8 33.Rc2 Kb6 34.Re2 Ra8
35.Rd2 Rc8
  µ  (-1.21)   Depth: 14/25   00:00:01  1462kN
28...hxg3 29.hxg3 Rch8 30.Rg2 Kf6 31.Kf2 Rh2 32.Rfg1 R2h3 33.Bd2 R3h6 34.Ke2
R6h7 35.Kf2 Kg6 36.Rd1
  µ  (-1.16)   Depth: 15/30   00:00:04  5781kN
28...hxg3 29.hxg3 Rch8 30.Rg2 Kf6 31.Kf2 Rh2 32.Rfg1 R2h3 33.Ke2 R3h7 34.Bd2 Kg6
35.Rf1 Rh2 36.Rxh2 Rxh2+ 37.Rf2
  µ  (-1.14)   Depth: 16/30   00:00:07  9413kN
28...hxg3 29.hxg3 Rch8 30.Rg2 Kf6 31.Kf2 Rh2 32.Rfg1 R2h3 33.Ke2 Kg7 34.Bf2 R3h7
35.Rf1 Kf6 36.Rc1 Kg6 37.Rd1
  µ  (-1.14)   Depth: 17/35   00:00:11  14593kN
28...hxg3 29.hxg3 Rch8 30.Rg2 Kf6 31.Kf2 Rh2 32.Rfg1 R2h3 33.Ke2 Kg7 34.Bf2 R3h7
35.Rf1 Kf6 36.Be1 Rh6 37.Bf2 Rh3
  µ  (-1.14)   Depth: 18/37   00:00:17  23833kN
28...hxg3 29.hxg3 Rch8 30.Rg2 Kf6 31.Kf2 Rh2 32.Rfg1 R2h3 33.Ke2 Kg7 34.Bf2 R3h7
35.Rf1 Kg6 36.Be1 Rh3 37.Bd2 Rh2 38.Rxh2 Rxh2+ 39.Rf2
  µ  (-1.14)   Depth: 19/39   00:00:27  36804kN
28...hxg3 29.hxg3 Rch8 30.Rg2 Kf6 31.Kf2 Rh2 32.Rfg1 R2h3 33.Ke2 Kg7 34.Bf2 R3h7
35.Rf1 Kg6 36.Be1 Kf7 37.Bd2 Rh2 38.Rxh2 Rxh2+ 39.Rf2
  µ  (-1.14)   Depth: 20/43   00:00:41  56177kN
28...hxg3 29.hxg3 Rch8 30.Rg2 Kf6 31.Kf2 Rh2 32.Rfg1 R2h3 33.Ke2 Kg7 34.Bf2 R3h7
35.Rf1 Kf6 36.Rd1 Rh3 37.Ra1 Kg6 38.Rag1 R3h7 39.Rd1
  µ  (-1.14)   Depth: 21/45   00:01:09  93135kN

(,  08.07.2005)

Fruit after h3 gives only 0.71 pawns for black and it suggest that fruit's
evaluation is better than Shredder.

Another test position when Fruit also fails is the following position


[D]2r4r/4kp1p/3bp3/1p1p2p1/p1pP1P2/P1P1P1P1/RP1B3P/R5K1 b - - 0 1

I think that g4 is a blunder.

Uri



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