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Subject: Re: Glaurung 0.24 vs Pharaon 3.3 Standard and FRC Results.............

Author: George Tsavdaris

Date: 05:54:07 07/08/05

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On July 08, 2005 at 05:36:24, Tord Romstad wrote:

>On July 07, 2005 at 19:33:10, George Tsavdaris wrote:
>
>Yes.  A big thanks to Jorge for playing these matches!
>
>>Unfortunatelly the
>>results were such, that we can't conclude that Pharaon is better at FRC-Chess
>>than it is at Chess against Glaurung, but anyway.......What the games show is
>>that Pharaon is a bit stronger generally.......
>
>No, they don't even show that.  For engines so close in playing strength, we
>need many more games to make such conclusions.

Damn! I knew that someone will say this:-) I was about to write that games
indicate that Pharaon should be a bit stronger (of course indicate is
meaningless also and any conclusion about the relative strength between these 2
can't be done, well actually it can, but with huge margins of error......) but i
wanted to be short......

>The best data we have so far
>concerning the relative strengths of Pharaon and Glaurung is the CEGT rating
>list (slow time controls)
>
>http://www.husvankempen.de/nunn/CEGT0507.html
>
>Pharaon 3.3 has 2594 after 93 games, while Glaurung 0.2.4 has 2593 after
>126 games.  Not really a big difference. :-)
>
>Of course, the margins of error are still big.  The only thing we know so
>far is that there is not a huge difference in playing strength between the
>two engines in normal chess.
>
>In FRC the situation is of course even more unclear.  My guess is that
>Pharaon is significantly stronger, because Glaurung FRC was released
>without any testing at all, and contains some very experimental and
>probably unsound evaluation settings.
>
>Tord



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