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Subject: Re: Welcome to testing engines. Thx to Anthony

Author: enrico carrisco

Date: 12:49:14 07/11/05

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On July 11, 2005 at 10:33:37, Arturo Ochoa wrote:

>On July 11, 2005 at 02:38:48, enrico carrisco wrote:
>
>>On July 11, 2005 at 00:37:25, Arturo Ochoa wrote:
>>
>>>On July 11, 2005 at 00:33:02, Pablo Ignacio Restrepo wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hello Anthony
>>>>
>>>>Thanks Anthony for your post.
>>>>You are welcome all the time that you want to test your engine with me.
>>>> Just tell to me.
>>>>
>>>>It is a good idea to rest.
>>>> Many time I am very tired too.
>>>>
>>>>Good luck with your P.H.D., just a few people in the Earth have that kind of
>>>>oportunity, and it is really very important.
>>>>
>>>>Congratullation for Zappa Job, I hope Zappa and you all the time will be
>>>>climbing for the Top.
>>>>
>>>>Zappa is your Job, all the engines has been made for the humans beings. The
>>>>combat it is just between humans.
>>>>
>>>>CCC is not a bad place. Why are you going to live ? It is a good idea to learn
>>>>many things here.
>>>>
>>>>Forget the match against me.
>>>>
>>>> I am very tired too, and finally in my life I have played many many games,
>>>>against Top engines.
>>>>
>>>>I have not more for learn, my job have been done yet.
>>>>
>>>>Good luck, and thanks again !!
>>>>
>>>>Best regard,
>>>>
>>>>Pablo
>>>>
>>>
>>>Supongo que después de estar 7 días acabando con la paciencia en este Foro,
>>>debes estar muy cansado de trabajo tan útil. :)))
>>>
>>>Después molestar tanto, ahora sueltas alguna palabras amables. Se parece a la
>>>historia del esposo que golpea a su esposa y a la mañana siguiente le dice que
>>>eso no sucederá de nuevo. Bueno, ojo con eso, quien sabe de donde te vienene
>>>esos "arranques"....
>>
>>Desde mi punto de vista me parece que ustedes se estan insultando de igual
>>manera. Solo porque Pablo no sea un jugador reconocido en ajedrez no significa
>>que su estilo de jugar no tenga validez.
>>
>
>Greetings, Enrico: Nice to meet you here!

Hello Arturo -- I never see you on MSN Messenger anymore.  :)

>
>He began with all this flaming. We are patient but our patience has a limit.
>
>Again, claiming that a "theory" is valid using blitz games on a chess server
>cannot be considered serious. For fun is Ok. The other directions that he took
>with Zappa was not pleasant. We are humans. Anthony tried to ignore him but the
>continuos attacks went too far. Now, that he has flamed a lot, you cannot expect
>a peaceful answer.

My apologies if I missed some dialogue that was not present in CCC and formed an
opinion anyway.  From what I read here, the flaming seemed to be present in all
three corners (you, Anthony and Pablo.)


>He offered his "strong" arguments but I offered my own arguments in the same
>rude form that he posted.
>
>>Antonio dijo que es una perdida de tiempo jugar con Pablo, pero yo digo que el
>>estar insultandose y discutiendo el uno al otro por siete dias. Entonces por que
>>no jugar y probar su punto de discusion?
>
>After attacking in that way, after claming a "perfect theory" again and again
>without considering valida conditions: live game, slow time controls, etc., I
>have not seen any slow game of this Mr. Restrepo.

I will be honest to admit that I had the same disregard for Pablo's tricks when
I first observed his games.  I discounted that it didn't matter that the program
lost in such specific and controlled circumstances.  But when I watched the same
style of game against Hiarcs 9 and saw it painfully making nonsense moves and
wasting an enormous amount of time doing so and then eventually flagging itself
-- I had to look at it closer.  I know Hiarcs' time management quite well -- why
was it doing this?  Incidentally, he has never been able to repeat this
performance with the revised versions subsequent to this Hiarcs 9 upset.

I've never said that Pablo's style is something spectacular -- only that there
is some value in using his games to fix such time management issues in quick
games where blockades are present.  I will say that Pablo is able to recreate
such circumstances more consistently than anyone I've ever seen employing this
style -- hence, it's quite useful to test a revision against him.

>
>
>>
>>"Zappa tiene una version desde 1.0 para jugar ajedrez mucho mejor."  -- bien.
>>"Zappa esta utilizando 4 CPUs lo cual lo hace mucho mas fuertes de los que Pablo
>>ha jugado." -- bien.
>>
>>Que tienes que perder?  Juega con el...
>>
>
>There only one thing that Anothony has to loose: his valuable time. I suggesated
>him not to reply the nonsense about this matter here and close this Forum for a
>while he prepares for WCCC2005.

That is very good advice -- even for those that aren't registered for WCCC2005.
:)  I shudder to think what the total hours of my life spent here really amounts
to.

Good luck in the tournament -- I expect (at least) a third place finish. :)

Will you be there personally?

Sincerely,

-elc.



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