Author: Madhavan
Date: 06:14:28 07/17/05
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On July 17, 2005 at 06:49:08, Sandro Necchi wrote: >On July 17, 2005 at 06:26:33, Madhavan wrote: > >>On July 17, 2005 at 05:22:47, Sandro Necchi wrote: >> >>>I have been laughing a lot (maybe crying on the ignorance would have been more >>>appropriate?)reading many wrong statements about testing and Elo lists. >> >>So you want only list that shows good results and huge rating difference of >>shredder? > >What has all this to do with Shredder? >Pls. be serious! >If you do not have arguments do not say anything. > >>That's why I you have been laughing a lot to put the testers down. > >If you laugh for what you do not understand it is your problem... If you laugh at testers who report their results too earlier then SSDF usually reports,then you shouldn't be laughing in the first place " have been laughing a lot (maybe crying on the ignorance would have been more appropriate?)reading many wrong statements about testing and Elo lists." were you laughing atthe testers because they don't ptoduce real data? >> >>>so, for those who are new and do not know, SSDF list is the best for the >>>following reasons: >>> >>>1. They use 2 computers and the program complete with own book and ETG, with own >>>gui and best setting as suggested by the programmer. >> >>No need if you want the customer who wants to test a program in his own comp > >It depends how you want to test it. That can make a difference. You must realize >that with 2 computers the tests are more accurate. >Isn't simple? >If you cannot afford to have 2 computers, than it is a your problem... No need to have 2 computers,for those who want to play with chessmaster rather than pitting chessmaster against some program,they would better look at the earlier results provided to them by testers rather than wasting the time waiting for SSDF results[for chessmaster 10000] >> >>>2. They use long time controls (40/2h 20/1h; international level) only. >> >>people are only interested in blitz time controls,IE ask Chessmaster buyers what >>time control they usually use.They would probably say 1-5 min for chessmaster >>engine and infinite or 1 hour for me. > >Pls. use some people as most people are interested in long games and not blitz. >If one hour for you is OK, it is fine for me. Talking about customers,there are many people out there who don't give more time for engine and the same time for themselves. >>>4. They use a very wide range of programs and not only the new ones to get more >>>reliable results. >> >>20 Crafty versions? > >PLs. be serious (again) and take a look on the extended list to know what I am >talking about. There are many free programs better then crafty,for ex List,Aristarch,Yace and Fruit It still haven't been tested,I have to be serious? serious and let them test any engine they want and let them report their result anytime they want,IE wait for 1 year if you want reliable Fruit result from SSDF that's pure nonsense. >>>5. Ponder on and learning are activated. >> >>No need for customers,ponder on or ponder off,doesnt matter > >This is ESCLUSIVELY your opinion (and of a few more others). many customers opinion too,I might add.Most chessmaster users or even shredder users don't about ponder mode. >>>So, anybody can test in a different way as they wish, but to claim that system >>>is better or replacing the SSDF system is pure nonsense! >> >> >>SSDF test delays to publish the result,they take tooooooooo much break.long >>break would fit. > >Yes, but because they want to give reliable result. I would agree with them as >there are TOO MANY people which are good only to make critics and nothing >else... You want to wait for 5 years to see the reliable result??? Isn't it frustrating for customers? >It is not necessary to wait the new list as they are reporting in this forum the >scores of the various matches, so one can understand if one version is better >than a previous one after some matches. >I do not think 5 or 6 points more or less makes a difference...so your statement >is ridiculous. > >>SSDF doesn't test Fruit,still didn't test Fruit.that's irony. > >They will when it will be released. It seems it is strong so what is the >difference if will be no. 2, 3, 4 or 5 in the list? >They do not have an official book yet, so what to test? Fruit is released already.wake up. Difference??? If Chess Tiger ranks 5 and Fruit ranks 3,Its better not to buy chesstiger,simple. >>still didn't test chessmaster > >ChessMaster does not have the auto232 option, so it must be tested manually and >that is a problem. This option is missing because the programmer does not want >to have it included, so why to do something the programmer don't want to do? >Pls. think or get informed before saying things... CM9000 has been tested. so are you saying CM10000 doesn't have. >>still didn't test many programs > >They are indipendent and have rules. > >The good think is that they nearly always (they did an exception with Fritz >5)apply the same rules to everybody! > >> >>Testers have reported many results for the programs a day after its release. > >Yes, but not real data. yeah,you keep waiting for your so called real data.there will be more fruit versions.Fruit will be placed #1 and wouldnt be tested. >>For customers,SSDF list is of need to them.too much delay,unfair matching of >>opponents. > >I do not agree. >Which unfair matches if all programs are playing on the same harware, best >setting and same time controls? Unfair matching of opponents I said.It means they choose engine vs engine for themselves.excluding other well known and stonger free engines. >Agains get serious! you should be serious. >>>Sandro > >Sandro
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