Author: Juan Pablo Naar C.
Date: 09:11:03 07/19/05
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On July 19, 2005 at 02:49:15, Jonas Cohonas wrote: >>Hydra's answer is completely believable. They want the world to know that they >>are #1, because of Michael Adam's evidence. IMHO, I think, that they know that >>very in the deep of those luxury processors lies a not so strong engine that can >>be counter-defeated by a similar hardware in which Shredder could run. The >>highest and most powerful machine available that can be bought is quad opterons >>2.2ghz dual core each (see tytan's motherboards), that in total are 8 processors >>that can easily match against 32 Xeons 3.06ghz. Between, Deep Shredder can run >>in those processors without the need to be re-written (Stefan, correct me if I'm >>wrong) and that machine is about 5,000 dollars, very affordable if Shredder got >>the "company's" support. IMHO I think, why didn't Deep Blue or Hydra released >>their engine as a software? The answer is because of my theory that I explain >>above, and when people discover that the engine in software is not soo strong, >>they will understand that the machine that challenged Adams was only pure >>processors, the reason of their victory. > >This sounds completely wrong to me, first Hydra is mainly hardware and last time >i checked you can't download a microwave oven :) You can't download it because a microwave oven (lol) doesn't have any digital BIOS, a pencil can't be downloaded too :-) I'll give you an example. The playstation is just pure hardware, right? So how did they make emulators? They could because of the BIOS. >Second, the "engine" part is designed partly to benefit from fast speeds and >lot's of hardware and even if you could take out the chess knowledge in Hydra >and make it run as a normal engine, it would not be very strong of course as it >needs higher speeds to be effective... Well, the program can always be re-written (not completely, of course) to run in casual hardware. I'll give you another example. The first version of The King ran on a chess computer, then Johan De Koning cared to re-write it to make it work as the engine for Chessmaster 2000. >It is not "all processors" i bet you that most strong engines would not have any >problems beating GNU chess running 200 mln pos/s, in other words the "engine" >needs to be strong in the first place, i think if you took Shredder and ran it >at 200 mln pos/s it would be as strong as Hydra ;) Well yes, because the elo difference between GNU Chess and the strongest engines is alot :-) But if you match a not so weak engine (for example, Arasan) vs i.e, Fruit, Arasan running in an Athlon 4,800 and fruit running in an Athlon 1,200, the match wouldn't be so guessable. JPN >Jonas
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