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Subject: Re: Testposition: hold your horses, avoid 30.Nxg6..

Author: Dann Corbit

Date: 18:01:47 07/21/05

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On July 21, 2005 at 01:15:26, Eelco de Groot wrote:

>This is from the latest game Pro Deo 1.1 Vulcan {9i9k} versus Gandalf.
>Everything seemed still more or less under control by Vulcan, but investing
>material here, playing 30.Nxg6? in the vague hope that one or two of its
>centerpawns might make it to the touchdown-line was asking to much of the
>position.
>
>White is not really better, probably a bit worse, and the position has to be
>treated with extreme caution. Lesson for Vulcan for today: Don't exchange pieces
>when down! Don't exchange and especially don't sacrifice pieces yet when there
>is no clear advantage in sight! Be careful in sacrificing any pieces when the
>score is a bit plus, but is falling. Don't sac light or heavy pieces in a
>difficult ending, without being able to (or in this case not even taking the
>time to) calculate the resulting positions deeply enough, at least as deeply as
>possible under the given timeconstraints.
>
>[D]7r/1kpr1p2/1p4p1/p6n/3pPP1N/3P1K2/PP1R3P/6R1 w - - 2 1
>
>But what move to play then? I don't really know what is better. Gandalf expected
>30.f5 Nf6 31.Kg3 g5 32.Nf3 g4 33.Ng5 Rh5 34.Kf4 Rh4 35.Kg3 Rh5. in the game.
>
>Pro Deo 1.1 Default maybe does a bit better by playing 30.f5, but as in the main
>line the following move is still 31.Nxg6 I can't give it more than a B minus for
>effort. This main line would only be a transposition of the moves in the game.
>
>00:00:00.2	0,26	2	222	Nxg6 fxg6 Rxg6 c6
>00:00:00.2	0,47	3	883	Nxg6 fxg6 Rxg6 c6 Re2
>00:00:00.2	0,28	4	4027	Nxg6 fxg6 Rxg6 Rf7 f5 Re7
>00:00:00.2	0,43	5	14669	Nxg6 fxg6 Rxg6 Rf8 f5 Re7
>00:00:00.3	0,34	6	40080	Nxg6 fxg6 Rxg6 Rf7 f5 Re7 Re2 c6
>00:00:00.3	0,47	6	60727	f5 Ng7 Nxg6 fxg6 Rxg6 Re7 Kg4
>00:00:00.4	0,62	7	124485	f5 Nf6 Nxg6 fxg6 Rxg6 Rh3+ Kf4 Rh4+ Ke5 Ne8
>00:00:00.5	0,52	8	238564	f5 Nf6 Nxg6 fxg6 Rxg6 Rh3+ Kf4 Rh4+ Kg5 Nxe4+ dxe4 Rxe4
>h4
>00:00:00.8	0,52	9	621934	f5 Ng7 Nxg6 fxg6 Rxg6 c5 Kg4 Ne8 e5 Rdh7 Rf2 Rxh2
>00:00:01.6	0,45	10	1611664	f5 Nf6 Nxg6 fxg6 Rxg6 Rf7 Re2 Nd7 Kf4 Re7 Rf2
>00:00:03.1	0,25	11	3595798	f5 Nf6 Nxg6 fxg6 Rxg6 Rf7 Kf4 Nd7 Rdg2 Re7 R6g3 Rh4+
>Rg4 Rh3 R4g3 Rh4+ Rg4 Rh3 R4g3
>00:00:07.1	0,23	12	8907379	f5 Nf6 Nxg6 fxg6 Rxg6 Rf7 Kf4 Nd7 Re2 Re7 e5 Rh4+ Kg5
>Nxe5 Rxe5 Rxe5
>00:00:16.4	0,08	13	21219194	f5 Nf6 Nxg6 fxg6 Rxg6 Rf7 Kf4 Nd7 Rdg2 Re7 Rg7 Rh4+
>R2g4 Rxg7 Rxh4 c6
>00:01:01.7	0,07	14	79889931	f5 Nf6 Nxg6 fxg6 Rxg6 Rf7 Kf4 Rh4+ Ke5 Ng4+ Ke6 Rh8
>Kxf7 Ne5+ Ke6 Re8+ Kd5 Nf3
>00:01:06.5	0,07	14	86775202	Nxg6
>00:01:19.1	0,07	14	79889931	f5 Nf6 Nxg6 fxg6 Rxg6 Rf7 Kf4 Rh4+ Ke5 Ng4+ Ke6 Rh8
>Kxf7 Ne5+ Ke6 Re8+ Kd5 Nf3
>00:03:09.6	0,07	15	249745319	f5 Nf6 Nxg6 fxg6 Rxg6 Rf7 Rdg2
>00:07:54.6	0,00	16	634419156	f5 Nf6 Nxg6 fxg6 fxg6 Rh3+ Kf4 Nh7
>00:35:52.4	0,00	17	2840425533	f5 Nf6 Nxg6 fxg6 Rxg6 Re7 Rxf6 Rh4
>
>
>After 30.Nxg6? White quickly lost ground and could have capitulated before move
>49 when the game ended.
>
>
>after 49.Kf3
>
>
>[D]4r3/2R1P3/1p3k2/2n5/1p6/3p1K2/P7/8 b - - 1 1
>
>Gandalf started calculating now very long and deep to make sure nothing could go
>wrong after taking the pawn with 49..Rxe7, but finally concluded that a score of
>-28.67 pawns for White was safe enough to risk it.. This was also far below the
>score treshold of course, so here this game was ended.
>
>[Event "Tournament test Vulcan {9k9i}"]
>[Site "Groningen"]
>[Date "2005.07.19"]
>[Round "1.2"]
>[White "Pro Deo 1.1 - Vulcan {9k9i}"]
>[Black "Gandalf 6.01"]
>[ECO "C68"]
>[Result "0-1"]
>
>1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Bxc6 dxc6 5. d4 exd4
>6. Qxd4 Qxd4 7. Nxd4 Nf6 8. f3 c5 9. Ne2 Bd7 10. O-O O-O-O
>11. Nbc3 Be6 12. Be3 Bd6 13. Rad1 Rd7 14. Nf4 Bc4 15. Nd3
>Bxd3 16. cxd3 Rhd8 17. Rd2 b6 18. Rfd1 h6 19. Ne2 Nh5
>20. g4 Nf6 21. Kg2 a5 22. Ng3 Be5 23. Nf5 Kb7 24. f4 Bd4
>25. Bxd4 cxd4 26. Kf3 h5 27. gxh5 Nxh5 28. Rg1 g6 29. Nh4
>Rh8 30. Nxg6 fxg6 31. Rxg6 Rf7 32. f5 Nf6 33. Kf4 Nd7
>34. Rdg2 Rfh7 35. e5 Nc5 36. R6g3 Kc6 37. b4 axb4 38. h3
>Rxh3 39. Rxh3 Rxh3 40. e6 Kd6 41. Rg8 Nxd3+ 42. Kg4 Rh7
>43. Rd8+ Ke5 44. Rd7 Rh8 45. e7 Re8 46. Rxc7 Nc5 47. f6
>Kxf6 48. Kg3 d3 49. Kf3 Rxe7 0-1


Analysis from E:\nxg6.epd
7/21/2005 5:28:56 PM Level: Infinite
Analyzing engine: Glaurung

1) Nxg6;(?)
    Avoid move: Nh4xg6(?)
    Best move (Glaurung): f4-f5
    OK! Found in: 00:00
      2	00:00	         102	0	 0.00	Rd2c2 Nh5xf4 Kf3xf4 Rh8xh4+ Kf4e5
      2	00:00	         293	0	+0.21	f4f5 Nh5f6
      3	00:00	         459	0	+0.29	f4f5 Nh5f6 Nh4xg6 f7xg6 f5xg6
      4	00:00	       1.346	0	+0.29	f4f5 Nh5f6 Nh4xg6 f7xg6 f5xg6
      5	00:00	       2.761	0	+0.29	f4f5 Nh5f6 Nh4xg6 f7xg6 f5xg6
      6	00:00	       9.555	597.187	+0.40	f4f5 Nh5f6 Kf3g3 g6g5 Nh4f3 g5g4
      7	00:00	      26.908	840.875	+0.43	f4f5 Nh5f6 Kf3g3 Nf6h5+ Kg3h3 g6xf5
Nh4xf5 Nh5f4+ Kh3g3 Rh8g8+ Kg3f2 Rg8xg1 Kf2xg1
      8	00:00	      49.003	777.825	+0.42	f4f5 Nh5f6 Nh4xg6 f7xg6 Rg1xg6 Rd7f7
e4e5 Rh8h3+ Kf3f4 Rh3h4+ Kf4f3
      9	00:00	      86.528	692.224	+0.38	f4f5 Nh5f6 Nh4xg6 f7xg6 Rg1xg6 Rh8h3+
Kf3f4 Rh3h4+ Kf4g3 Nf6xe4+ d3xe4 Rh4xe4
     10	00:00	     206.560	659.936	+0.52	f4f5 Nh5f6 Nh4xg6 f7xg6 Rg1xg6 Rh8h3+
Kf3f4 Rd7d6 e4e5 Nf6d5+ Kf4g4 Rd6xg6+ Kg4xh3
     11	00:00	     323.904	627.720	+0.24	f4f5 Nh5f6 Nh4xg6 f7xg6 Rg1xg6 Rh8h3+
Rg6g3 Rh3h5 Kf3f4 c7c5 e4e5 Rh5h4+ Kf4g5
     12	00:01	   1.037.565	598.020	+0.35	f4f5 Nh5f6 Nh4xg6 f7xg6 Rg1xg6 Rh8h3+
Rg6g3 Rh3h5 Kf3f4 c7c5 e4e5 Nf6d5+ Kf4g4 Rh5h8
     13	00:02	   1.373.592	597.993	+0.22	f4f5 Nh5f6 Nh4xg6 f7xg6 Rg1xg6 Rh8h3+
Kf3f4 Rd7d6 e4e5 Nf6d5+ Kf4g4 Rd6xg6+ f5xg6 Rh3h6 Kg4g5 Rh6h3
     14	00:06	   3.676.386	625.661	+0.08	f4f5 Nh5f6 Nh4xg6 f7xg6 Rg1xg6 Rh8h3+
Kf3f4 Rd7d6 b2b3 Rh3h4+ Kf4f3 Rh4h3+ Rg6g3 Rh3h5 Rd2c2 Rd6c6 Rc2e2
     15	00:26	  15.994.598	603.182	+0.07	f4f5 Nh5f6 Nh4xg6 f7xg6 Rg1xg6 Rh8h3+
Kf3f4 Rd7d6 e4e5 Nf6d5+ Kf4g4 Rd6xg6+ f5xg6 Rh3e3 g6g7 Nd5e7 Kg4f4 Ne7g8 h2h4
     16	00:56	  35.287.311	625.040	 0.00	f4f5 Nh5f6 Kf3g3 Nf6h5+ Kg3f3 Nh5f6
     17	01:51	  66.635.971	598.528	 0.00	f4f5 Nh5f6 Kf3g3 Nf6h5+ Kg3f3 Nh5f6
     18	02:18	  81.382.138	588.829	 0.00	f4f5 Nh5f6 Kf3g3 Nf6h5+ Kg3f3 Nh5f6
     19	04:28	 162.868.615	606.559	 0.00	f4f5 Nh5f6 Kf3g3 Nf6h5+ Kg3f3 Nh5f6
     20	08:06	 295.615.696	608.371	 0.00	f4f5 Nh5f6 Kf3g3 Nf6h5+ Kg3f3 Nh5f6
   7/21/2005 5:59:20 PM, Time for this analysis: 00:10:00, Rated time: 00:00

1 of 1 matching moves
7/21/2005 5:59:21 PM, Total time: 12:30:25 AM
Rated time: 00:00 = 0 Seconds



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