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Subject: Re: Propaganda machine in full action - They are really admitting defeat

Author: Sune Fischer

Date: 04:49:13 07/24/05

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On July 24, 2005 at 07:19:51, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote:

>On July 24, 2005 at 06:15:54, George Tsavdaris wrote:
>
>>
>>http://www.chesscafe.com/mig/mig.htm
>
>The strongest program (Shredder) is no longer sold by ChessBase --> time to put
>the propaganda machine in action.
>
>So, now, beating other programs is not important anymore and if Fritz gets
>clobbered by an 180k free program this is because it's 'smarter'! It's because
>it has so much 'knowledge'!
>
>The new Fritz is not or almost not stronger than the old one where you payed
>money for? No really, you can 'feel' it's playing more 'humanlike' instead!
>
>Also handy that the claim of being stronger against humans is almost impossible
>to objectively verify.
>
>The really sickening thing is that people will eat this ChessBase propaganda by
>the boatloads and report is as facts.
>
>--
>GCP

They also seem to contradict themselves, first a lot of nonsense about having
stopped playing other engines, then later:

"Playing against other programs is required as a benchmark because you can play
so many games. But it turns out you don’t have to tune it specifically for
anything. Adding knowledge has made it stronger against humans and computers. "

Doh! - and they use testsuites as well.

Exactly _what_ is different from how others are doing it?

Another selfcontradicting remark:

"Frans is a purist. He doesn’t want to tweak a program to make it play more
aggressively or in any specific style at all. He just wants it to be the
strongest program possible, period."

Isn't the whole article about how he wants to make it better against _humans_??

-S



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