Author: Joachim Rang
Date: 07:01:17 07/24/05
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On July 24, 2005 at 08:15:37, Kurt Utzinger wrote: >On July 24, 2005 at 07:37:45, Joachim Rang wrote: > >>On July 24, 2005 at 07:19:51, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote: >> >>>On July 24, 2005 at 06:15:54, George Tsavdaris wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>http://www.chesscafe.com/mig/mig.htm >>> >>>The strongest program (Shredder) is no longer sold by ChessBase --> time to put >>>the propaganda machine in action. >>> >>>So, now, beating other programs is not important anymore and if Fritz gets >>>clobbered by an 180k free program this is because it's 'smarter'! It's because >>>it has so much 'knowledge'! >>> >>>The new Fritz is not or almost not stronger than the old one where you payed >>>money for? No really, you can 'feel' it's playing more 'humanlike' instead! >>> >>>Also handy that the claim of being stronger against humans is almost impossible >>>to objectively verify. >>> >>>The really sickening thing is that people will eat this ChessBase propaganda by >>>the boatloads and report is as facts. >>> >>>-- >>>GCP >> >>I fully agree - that is exactly what I am thinking, although I'm hoping that at >>least experts on the field will disclose this babble as what it is - like you >>did. >> >>regards >> >>Joachim > > >[D]r1b2rk1/p4p1p/2p1pRn1/2Npq3/1P1N4/2P2Q2/P5PP/R5K1 b - - 0 20 > > I should be happy if Fritz 9 would evaluate this position as > almost a winning one for White due to the great positional advantage. > And if Fritz would be able to assess similar positions correctly, > I don't bother provided Fritz 9 is not the number one vs other engines. > Kurt I agree that there is a point in tuning an engine for human chess - it will evaluate chess positions from human games perhaps more accurate. But to label this as "antituning" and as a "pure" approach is wrong. It is just a tuning for human chess. The "truth" is playing strength regardless who is the opponent and that might cause a program to play less "understandable" but very succesful. I'm sure Fritz 9 will lead the WM-Test once more but will not be the strongest program when it comes to games. So I don' condemn the effort I find it interesting but I condemn the babble which tries to mystify the own approach and vilify the copetition. regards Joachim
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