Author: Drexel,Michael
Date: 22:08:35 07/26/05
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On July 26, 2005 at 20:58:17, Rick Hagen wrote: >On July 26, 2005 at 10:03:17, Drexel,Michael wrote: > >>On July 26, 2005 at 01:33:24, Rick Hagen wrote: >> >>>On July 26, 2005 at 01:09:27, Drexel,Michael wrote: >>> >>>>On July 25, 2005 at 08:32:32, Rick Hagen wrote: >>>> >>>>>On July 25, 2005 at 03:34:13, Uri Blass wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On July 24, 2005 at 21:10:22, Rick Hagen wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>[...] >>>>> >>>>>>>The "critical" position seems to be: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>[D]r1bq1rk1/2p1n1bn/1p1p4/pP1Pp1pp/P1B1Pp2/2NQ1P2/1BPN2PP/R3R1K1 w - - 0 21 >>>>>>> >>>>>>>It actually looks Shredder plays with a plan here. >>>>>>>Bringing it's King to the Q-side, and counter-attacking on the K-side. >>>>>> >>>>>>Not to me >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>You deny it_looks_like a plan? >>>>> >>>> >>>>This was certainly just a matter of King safety evaluation and not a plan. >>> >>>It_looks_like a plan. >> >>Not to me. This was just necessary to avoid a crushing Kingside attack. > >Watch the moves: >21.Kf2 22.Rh1 23. Raf1 24.Ke1 25.Kd1 26.Kc1 27.Nd1 28.Thg1 29.Nf2 >To avoid a K-side attack and bring the King to the Q-side followed by moving the >peaces to the K-side "Looks" like a plan to me. >Let's agree to disagree. > >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>The critical position is later in the game. >>>>>>It seems to me that black is better after shredder's plan. >>>>>> >>>>>>Here is Shredder's opinion >>>>>[...] >>>>> >>>>>Yes, objectively...black is better. >>>>>But.. it is an open position, >>>> >>>>Nonsense, this is not an open position at all. >>> >>>[D]2b2r2/2p2rkn/1p1p4/pP1Pp1q1/P3P1N1/2Q2P2/2P1B2N/1K5R b - - 0 1 >>> >>> >>>This position is what we're talking about... >> >>Nonsense, this is not the position we are talking about. >>The position before Kf2 was posted and discussed. > >No! >Follow the thread and look at Uri's responce. >Then you know that_this_is the position we're talking about. >It seems pretty obvious that the pos. before and including Kf2 is closed. This position is not relevant at all. Black was completely lost after the simple 46...Bxg4. I don´t need an engine for that. The move is pretty obvious. The top engines Shreddder and Fritz were useless anyway in this position as they don´t have a clue. >> >>The one I had posted occured later in the game. It was almost completely closed. >>Only black had a chance to make progress. There was no counter attack for white >>at all. >> >>Anyone can see that it was black who played for the win in this game. He >>certainly could have easily drawn this game by simply doing nothing but he had a >>pretty overwhelming position. No wonder since Shredder played horrible in the >>early middle game. Im referring to the ridiculous Qd2,Qd3,Qe3,Qd3 maneuver >>followed by b5. >> >>His play for a win was justified but he failed miserably. >>The mistakes 46...g2? (46...Bxg4 is clearly better for black) and 48...Rh8+? >>costed him the game. >> >>Michael > >The point is: black player is human, humans make mistakes in open positions. >Against computers this becomes very apparent. >You can give all the variations you want (engine output no doubt), but in open >positions humans hardly stand a chance. Yeah, the "Humans make mistakes in open positions" Nonsense again... This is called "Totschlagargument" in Germany. I don´t know what the English expression is. Killer argument?? Any normal game has eventually one or two open files. That doesn´t mean a human can´t play it. Michael > >RickH > > >>> >>>RickH >>> >>>> >>>>Michael >>>> >>>>> >>>>>RickH >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Uri
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