Author: Drexel,Michael
Date: 22:09:34 07/26/05
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On July 27, 2005 at 01:08:35, Drexel,Michael wrote: >On July 26, 2005 at 20:58:17, Rick Hagen wrote: > >>On July 26, 2005 at 10:03:17, Drexel,Michael wrote: >> >>>On July 26, 2005 at 01:33:24, Rick Hagen wrote: >>> >>>>On July 26, 2005 at 01:09:27, Drexel,Michael wrote: >>>> >>>>>On July 25, 2005 at 08:32:32, Rick Hagen wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On July 25, 2005 at 03:34:13, Uri Blass wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On July 24, 2005 at 21:10:22, Rick Hagen wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>[...] >>>>>> >>>>>>>>The "critical" position seems to be: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>[D]r1bq1rk1/2p1n1bn/1p1p4/pP1Pp1pp/P1B1Pp2/2NQ1P2/1BPN2PP/R3R1K1 w - - 0 21 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>It actually looks Shredder plays with a plan here. >>>>>>>>Bringing it's King to the Q-side, and counter-attacking on the K-side. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Not to me >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>You deny it_looks_like a plan? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>This was certainly just a matter of King safety evaluation and not a plan. >>>> >>>>It_looks_like a plan. >>> >>>Not to me. This was just necessary to avoid a crushing Kingside attack. >> >>Watch the moves: >>21.Kf2 22.Rh1 23. Raf1 24.Ke1 25.Kd1 26.Kc1 27.Nd1 28.Thg1 29.Nf2 >>To avoid a K-side attack and bring the King to the Q-side followed by moving the >>peaces to the K-side "Looks" like a plan to me. >>Let's agree to disagree. >> >>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>The critical position is later in the game. >>>>>>>It seems to me that black is better after shredder's plan. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Here is Shredder's opinion >>>>>>[...] >>>>>> >>>>>>Yes, objectively...black is better. >>>>>>But.. it is an open position, >>>>> >>>>>Nonsense, this is not an open position at all. >>>> >>>>[D]2b2r2/2p2rkn/1p1p4/pP1Pp1q1/P3P1N1/2Q2P2/2P1B2N/1K5R b - - 0 1 >>>> >>>> >>>>This position is what we're talking about... >>> >>>Nonsense, this is not the position we are talking about. >>>The position before Kf2 was posted and discussed. >> >>No! >>Follow the thread and look at Uri's responce. >>Then you know that_this_is the position we're talking about. >>It seems pretty obvious that the pos. before and including Kf2 is closed. > >This position is not relevant at all. White was completely lost after the simple >46...Bxg4. I don´t need an engine for that. The move is pretty obvious. The top >engines Shreddder and Fritz were useless anyway in this position as they don´t >have a clue. > >>> >>>The one I had posted occured later in the game. It was almost completely closed. >>>Only black had a chance to make progress. There was no counter attack for white >>>at all. >>> >>>Anyone can see that it was black who played for the win in this game. He >>>certainly could have easily drawn this game by simply doing nothing but he had a >>>pretty overwhelming position. No wonder since Shredder played horrible in the >>>early middle game. Im referring to the ridiculous Qd2,Qd3,Qe3,Qd3 maneuver >>>followed by b5. >>> >>>His play for a win was justified but he failed miserably. >>>The mistakes 46...g2? (46...Bxg4 is clearly better for black) and 48...Rh8+? >>>costed him the game. >>> >>>Michael >> >>The point is: black player is human, humans make mistakes in open positions. >>Against computers this becomes very apparent. >>You can give all the variations you want (engine output no doubt), but in open >>positions humans hardly stand a chance. > >Yeah, the "Humans make mistakes in open positions" Nonsense again... >This is called "Totschlagargument" in Germany. I don´t know what the English >expression is. Killer argument?? > >Any normal game has eventually one or two open files. That doesn´t mean a human >can´t play it. > >Michael > >> >>RickH >> >> >>>> >>>>RickH >>>> >>>>> >>>>>Michael >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>RickH >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Uri
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