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Subject: Re: G. Kasparov - V. Topalov; Wijk aan Zee, 1999 impossible Rxd4!!!!

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 08:37:13 07/28/05

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On July 28, 2005 at 09:48:14, Manfred Meiler wrote:

>On July 28, 2005 at 07:58:47, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On July 28, 2005 at 05:12:16, Vegadapirate wrote:
>>
>>>Here is one of G.Kasparov's best game of the century, his specially for his 2
>>>best tactical moves in the game Rxd4!!! (Maybe - '!!!!!!')
>>
>>Rxd4 is not winning.
>>
>>
>>  One of the most
>>>incredible moves in all of chess.
>>
>>Not at all after Rxd4 Kb6 white is not better based on kasparov's notes.
>>It is certainly a bad test position.
>
>
>First of all, sorry for my poor english. I'm not one of the authors of the test
>suite "WM-Test" so only one remark:
>It's not always the goal of the test positions in WM-Test to find the WIN but
>also to hold the BALANCE in the game by finding the claimed only solution move.
>
>To this position # 15 of WM-Test for example Deep Junior 8.ZX (after 10 minutes,
>depth 16):
>
>Kasparov - Topalov, Wijk aan Zee 1999
>b2r3r/k4p1p/p2q1np1/NppP4/3p1Q2/P4PPB/1PP4P/1K1RR3 w - - 0 24
>
>Analysis by Deep Junior 8.ZX:
>
>1. = (0.00): 1.Rxd4 cxd4 2.Re7+ Kb6 3.Qxd4+ Kxa5 4.b4+ Ka4 5.Qc3 Qxd5 6.Qc7 Qd1+
>7.Kb2 Qd4+ 8.Kb1
>2. µ (-1.13): 1.Nc6+ Bxc6 2.Qxd6 Rxd6 3.dxc6 Kb6 4.Re7 Kxc6 5.Ra7 Kd5 6.Rxf7 Re8
>7.f4
>3. µ (-1.13): 1.Re5 Kb6

Note that Fruit2.1 does not agree that Rxd4 is the best move

New game,
b2r3r/k4p1p/p2q1np1/NppP4/3p1Q2/P4PPB/1PP4P/1K1RR3 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Fruit 2.1:

1.Qxd6 Rxd6
  ²  (0.66)   Depth: 1/2   00:00:00
1.Qxd6 Rxd6 2.Re7+ Kb6
  ±  (1.01)   Depth: 2/10   00:00:00
1.Qxd6 Rxd6 2.c4 Bb7
  =  (0.24)   Depth: 3/14   00:00:00
1.Qxd6 Rxd6 2.c4 dxc3 3.Re7+ Kb6
  ²  (0.30)   Depth: 4/18   00:00:00
1.Qxd6 Rxd6 2.b4 cxb4 3.Re7+ Kb8 4.axb4 Nxd5
  =  (0.23)   Depth: 5/18   00:00:00
1.Qxd6 Rxd6 2.b4 cxb4 3.Re7+ Kb8 4.axb4 Nxd5
  =  (0.23)   Depth: 6/20   00:00:00  83kN
1.Qxd6 Rxd6 2.b4 cxb4 3.Rxd4 bxa3 4.c4 Re8 5.Rxe8 Nxe8
  ³  (-0.69)   Depth: 7/20   00:00:00  246kN
1.Nc6+ Bxc6 2.Qxd6 Rxd6 3.dxc6 Rxc6 4.Re7+ Kb6 5.Rxf7 Re8 6.f4
  =  (-0.22)   Depth: 7/20   00:00:00  263kN
1.Nc6+ Bxc6 2.Qxd6 Rxd6 3.dxc6 Rxc6 4.Re7+ Kb6 5.Rxf7 h6 6.Re7 Re8
  =  (-0.10)   Depth: 8/26   00:00:00  412kN
1.Nc6+ Bxc6 2.Qxd6 Rxd6 3.dxc6 Kb6 4.Re7 Kxc6 5.Rxf7 Re8 6.f4
  =  (-0.22)   Depth: 9/26   00:00:01  706kN
1.Nc6+ Bxc6 2.Qxd6 Rxd6 3.dxc6 Kb6 4.Re7 Kxc6 5.Rxf7 Re8 6.Ra7 Kb6
  ³  (-0.37)   Depth: 10/29   00:00:02  1448kN
1.Nc6+ Bxc6 2.Qxd6 Rxd6 3.dxc6 Rxc6 4.Re7+ Kb6 5.Rxf7 Re8 6.Bd7 Nxd7 7.Rxd7 Rf6
8.f4 h6
  ³  (-0.51)   Depth: 11/29   00:00:04  3298kN
1.Nc6+ Bxc6 2.Qxd6 Rxd6 3.dxc6 Rxc6 4.Re7+ Kb6 5.Rxf7 Re8 6.Bd7 Nxd7 7.Rxd7 Rf6
8.f4 h6 9.Ka2
  ³  (-0.51)   Depth: 12/34   00:00:07  6903kN
1.Nc6+ Bxc6 2.Qxd6 Rxd6 3.dxc6 Rxc6 4.Re7+ Kb6 5.Rxf7 Re8 6.Bd7 Nxd7 7.Rxd7 Rf6
8.f4 h6 9.c3 Kc6
  ³  (-0.49)   Depth: 13/39   00:00:13  13738kN
1.Nc6+ Bxc6 2.Qxd6 Rxd6 3.dxc6 Rxc6 4.Re7+ Kb6 5.Rxf7 Re8 6.Bf1 h6 7.Bd3 g5 8.f4
gxf4 9.gxf4 c4 10.Bf5
  ³  (-0.48)   Depth: 14/41   00:00:25  26227kN
1.Rxd4 Kb6 2.b4 Qxf4 3.Rxf4 Nxd5 4.Rxf7 cxb4 5.axb4 Nxb4 6.Nb3 Rdf8 7.Rxf8 Rxf8
8.f4 Bd5 9.Re7
  ³  (-0.29)   Depth: 14/50   00:01:20  79817kN
1.Rxd4 Kb6 2.b4 Qxf4 3.Rxf4 Nxd5 4.Rxf7 cxb4 5.axb4 Nxb4 6.Nb3 Rdf8 7.Rfe7 Bxf3
8.Kb2 Rd8 9.Bd7
  ³  (-0.56)   Depth: 15/50   00:01:48  108494kN
1.Nc6+ Bxc6 2.Qxd6 Rxd6 3.dxc6 Rxc6 4.Re7+ Kb6 5.Rxf7 Re8 6.b4 Rd6 7.bxc5+ Kxc5
8.Kc1 Re2 9.Rd2 Re1+ 10.Kb2 h6 11.Rc7+ Kb6 12.Rc8
  ³  (-0.48)   Depth: 15/50   00:01:53  114126kN
1.Nc6+ Bxc6 2.Qxd6 Rxd6 3.dxc6 Rxc6 4.Re7+ Kb6 5.Rxf7 Re8 6.b4 Rd6 7.bxc5+ Kxc5
8.Kc1 Re3 9.Rd3 h6 10.Kd2 Re8 11.Rc7+ Kb6 12.Rc8
  ³  (-0.57)   Depth: 16/50   00:02:27  150498kN
1.Nc6+ Bxc6 2.Qxd6 Rxd6 3.dxc6 Kb6 4.Re7 Kxc6 5.Rxf7 Re8 6.f4 Re2 7.Bc8 a5 8.b4
cxb4 9.axb4 a4 10.Bb7+ Kb6 11.h4
  ³  (-0.53)   Depth: 17/50   00:04:25  275409kN
1.Nc6+ Bxc6 2.Qxd6 Rxd6 3.dxc6 Kb6 4.Re7 Kxc6 5.Rxf7 Re8 6.Kc1 h5 7.Bg2 Nd5 8.f4
Re2 9.Rd2 Rde6 10.Ra7 Rxd2 11.Bxd5+ Kxd5 12.Kxd2
  ³  (-0.54)   Depth: 18/50   00:07:17  455693kN
1.Nc6+ Bxc6 2.Qxd6 Rxd6 3.dxc6 Kb6 4.Re7 Kxc6 5.Rxf7 Re8 6.Kc1 h5 7.Bg2 Nd5 8.f4
Re2 9.Rd2 Re3 10.Bxd5+ Kxd5 11.Kd1 Rd8 12.Re2
  ³  (-0.52)   Depth: 19/50   00:14:35  902378kN

(,  28.07.2005)

The problem is that it believes that Rxd4 Kb6 gives bigger advantage for black.

Uri



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