Author: Madhavan
Date: 23:32:06 07/30/05
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On July 31, 2005 at 02:29:31, Madhavan wrote:
>On July 31, 2005 at 01:57:21, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On July 31, 2005 at 00:49:33, Madhavan wrote:
>>
>>>On July 30, 2005 at 12:33:06, Günther Simon wrote:
>>>
>>>>On July 30, 2005 at 11:47:18, Madhavan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On July 30, 2005 at 10:00:02, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On July 30, 2005 at 07:07:48, Günther Simon wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On July 29, 2005 at 20:01:32, Pablo Ignacio Restrepo wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Some words to the great Alejandro Mendez from playchess. !!!!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Alejandro Mendez(son-of-father), from Argentina, have won to Zappa 2.0b. in a
>>>>>>>>10+10 time control game.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Son-Of-Father, a human being, have had until 2737 elo into engines room
>>>>>>>>fromplaychess playing and beating many engines 100% as a human being.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Now the tourn for a k.o. have been to Zappa.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>This is worse than yellow press.
>>>>>>>The game was played by a beta tester of Zappa (not by Anthony, not by Arturo)
>>>>>>>and it was played at the crappy Playchess server with a buggy GUI (the only
>>>>>>>one allowed there). The buggy GUI cannot play on after move 256.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I am not sure if the chessbase interface cannot play on or if it sends the
>>>>>>engine wrong information that cause it to lose on time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I tested Movei under the chessbase interface not in playchess and one of the
>>>>>>problem is that after move 256 the interface send fen and not a move.
>>>>>>It also seems to me that the chessbase interface does not send correct time to
>>>>>>the engine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>and in 10+10 assumes that the time remaining is always 610 seconds regardless to
>>>>>>the time on the clock.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>programs probably can play if they do not believe the time that the interface
>>>>>>tell them but they should also know to ignore the position that they
>>>>>>get(otherwise they can do repetition in a better position for no reason).
>>>>>
>>>>>I checked out the playchess site,once you offer a draw,you can't claim to offer
>>>>>more draws unless 5 moves are made after the 1st claim,the bug has been fixed.
>>>>>
>>>>>>Uri
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Even if you can now only offer silly draws after 5 moves it is an incredible
>>>>bug, that the _opponent_ needs to close that silly draw offers on _his_ time.
>>>
>>>sir,Its not like a player cannot have chance to offer draw.5 moves is reasonable
>>>when you play in tournament[physical presence]I bet you can bug your winning
>>>opponent with more draws in less than 1 move!how can your opponent ignore you?
>>>
>>>ignoring a draw is just a matter of pressing spacebar,you have to click the draw
>>>on the corner which takes more time for you to do just that than your winning
>>>opponent pressing space bar.
>>
>>Maybe you are right and I never tried it but the only way that I knew to reject
>>abort(usually annoyers ask to abort) is by moving the mouse and it takes time
>>when you are in time trouble.
>
> that happens only when your annoyers ask for a draw after every 5 moves,its a
>chess rule.it would take more time for an annoyer to click the freen draw button
>than an opponent to press space bar.
>
>>The time that the opponent spend is unimportant because it is possible that only
>>one side is in time trouble.
>
>
>>>>so 5 moves are just nothing and you are able to annoy your winning opponent
>>>>again.
>>>
>>>see above.5 moves are reasonable,winning player should have oppurtinity to offer
>>>draw to ahis opponent if he had lless time left in his clock.
>>otherwise the
>>>winning player would lose on time inspite of positinal and material advantage.
>>
>>No
>>
>>time is part of the game in the internet and if one side believe that he is
>>going to lose without offering a draw then I think that it is not nice to offer
>>a draw.
>
>when one winning side believes that he has no time to outwit his opponent,and
>should claim a draw.
>
>not nice to offer a draw?then you would lose rating,lose game etc
>
>
>>>>What about the abort offers BTW?
>>>
>>>thats nonsense,winning player should have oppurtinity to accept the draw offer
>>>when he has enough time left in his clock
>>
>>I do not understand what it has to be with abort offers.
>you should have opputinity to offer draw after every 5 moves even your opponent
>declines
>
>>I guess you mean that winning player should have the opportunity to accept draw
>>when he has not enough time in his clock and I disagree.
>
>no,the winning player should have the opputinity to offer draw to his opponent
>when he has enough time left,and also opponent should have opppurtinity to offer
>draw when he had material disadvantage.
>draw claim after every 5 moves looks reasonable,why do you disagree?
>
>
>>>>Such a feature only leads to permanent cheating attempts.
>>>
>>>Cheating?you couldnt cheat on chessbase server
>>
>>Nonsense.
>>
>>People can cheat in every server.
>
>cheat and later get their ID
banned,YOU CANNOT CHEAT IN BULLET GAMES
>how do you cheat?blitz games,they can cheat by having 2 computers.
>
>>>
>>>>(There are lots of cheaters anyway, if one searches through the lists,
>>>>one can find people with ridiculous national ratings having > 2300 in
>>>>bullet and blitz)
>>>
>>>I would like to let you know that Playchess rating is not measured as per FIDe
>>>rating,Playchess rating evaluates very low for a good FIDE rated player,there
>>>are many players having 2200 FIDe rating but less playchess rating[about 1700]
>>>If the player is rated 2000 in playchess server,he might be around 2400 FIDE
>>>elo.
>>
>>Nonsense.
>
>It would make more sense if you see many players profile,there was a big gap of
>the rating they have in bullet games.
>
>don't say playchess rating eval==FIDE alo,I was talking about bullet,anything
>can happen.
>
>>I have rating of above 2000 in playchess and I am not close to 2400 fide >rating.
>
>you did not always play bullet,I have never played bullet games.
blitz
>BTW what's your playchess Id?I can add you as a friend,that would be quite
>easier to find when you go online,thanks.
>
>>I am not the best bullet player or the best blitz player and I know about
>>players with rating near 1800 who are stronger than me in playchess(at least in
>>bullet).
>
>Sorry,I only play bullet games!My best Bullet rating crossed around 1830
>If I play Blitz I would have crossed around 2000,I have been playing 1 minute
>each a lot.
>There are many playchess players having 1750 rating but 2050 FIDE ELO,see their
>profile
>
>and one chess player having 1850 playchess elo and plays like 2300 elo.
>
>>Note that games in playchess are clearly different than games in real life
>>because of the premove.
>
>you have to press the clock after each move,you cannot play bullet in real life
>quite fairly.that's one advantage to note about chess servers
>
>
>>If you see that the opponent is in serious time trouble then it may be a good
>>idea to play some stupid check so the premove of the opponent will be illegal
>>and the opponent will lose on time.
>
>you cannot blame chess rule,giving check is not stupid,its perfectly valid chess
>move.
>
>Question should be:why the opponent spent more time?altough both players start
>with equal time on clock.Bullet is fun.
>
>
>>Uri
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