Author: Tony Nichols
Date: 05:54:04 08/02/05
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>I don't really understand this comment. After 15...Qe5 16. Re1 Rd8 17. Bd2 from
>Junior-Fruit is more or less forced (if you are a strong chessprogram that is :)
>) . Here Junior thought it is up by about a pawn too, but this is probably more
>about how the exchange is evaluated. Maybe 19. Ne4 is bad but 19. Rxe6+ has some
>drawbacks too.
>
>E.g. if you look at the position after 22. ..Bd6 I think it is evident that
>black is superior, when Junior still thinks it is better.
>
>I'll give Junior's PGN to compair:
>
>[Event "Blitz:50'+3""]
>[Site "Berlin"]
>[Date "2005.08.01"]
>[Round "11"]
>[White "Junior 9.0.0.3"]
>[Black "Fruit 2.1"]
>[Result "0-1"]
>[ECO "C80"]
>[Annotator "PIV3.2-Centrino1.6"]
>[PlyCount "126"]
>[TimeControl "3000+3"]
>
>{512MB, Junior9.ctg, P432} 1. e4 {[%emt 0:00:00]} e5 {[%emt 0:00:05]} 2. Nf3 {
>[%emt 0:00:00]} Nc6 {[%emt 0:00:03]} 3. Bb5 {[%emt 0:00:00]} a6 {[%emt 0:00:02]
>} 4. Ba4 {[%emt 0:00:00]} Nf6 {[%emt 0:00:03]} 5. O-O {[%emt 0:00:00]} Nxe4 {
>(Le7) [%emt 0:00:03]} 6. d4 {[%emt 0:00:00]} b5 {[%emt 0:00:03]} 7. Bb3 {
>[%emt 0:00:00]} d5 {[%emt 0:00:03]} 8. dxe5 {[%emt 0:00:00]} Be6 {
>[%emt 0:00:03]} 9. Nbd2 {[%emt 0:00:00]} Nc5 {[%emt 0:00:04]} 10. c3 {
>[%emt 0:00:00]} d4 {(Le7) [%emt 0:00:03]} 11. Ng5 {[%emt 0:00:00]} dxc3 {
>(Dxg5) [%emt 0:00:04]} 12. Nxe6 {[%emt 0:00:00]} fxe6 {[%emt 0:00:05]} 13. bxc3
>{[%emt 0:00:00]} Qd3 {[%emt 0:00:05]} 14. Bc2 {[%emt 0:00:00]} Qxc3 {
>[%emt 0:01:20]} 15. Nb3 {[%emt 0:00:00]} Qxe5 {(Sxb3) [%emt 0:04:17]} 16. Re1 {
>[%eval 60,14] [%emt 0:01:39]} Rd8 {[%emt 0:00:14]} 17. Bd2 {
>[%eval 90,14] [%emt 0:00:13]} Qf6 {(Dd5) [%emt 0:01:21]} 18. Nxc5 {
>[%eval 120,15] [%emt 0:01:43]} Rxd2 {[%emt 0:00:03]} 19. Ne4 {
>[%eval 111,16] [%emt 0:02:29]} Rxd1 {[%emt 0:01:25]} 20. Nxf6+ {
>[%eval 88,18] [%emt 0:00:44]} gxf6 {[%emt 0:01:01]} 21. Raxd1 {
>[%eval 78,18] [%emt 0:00:38]} e5 {[%emt 0:01:05]} 22. Re3 {
>[%eval 87,17] [%emt 0:00:16]} Bd6 {[%emt 0:01:44]} 23. Kf1 {
>[%eval 49,17] [%emt 0:01:20]} h5 {(Kd8) [%emt 0:00:09]} 24. Bg6+ {
>[%eval 61,16] [%emt 0:01:41]} Ke7 {[%emt 0:01:16]} 25. h4 {
>[%eval 54,17] [%emt 0:00:08]} Ke6 {[%emt 0:01:04]} 26. Bc2 {
>[%eval 24,17] [%emt 0:00:00]} f5 {[%emt 0:04:03]} 27. g3 {
>[%eval 0,19] [%emt 0:00:00]} Kf6 {[%emt 0:01:26]} 28. Bd3 {
>[%eval 0,19] [%emt 0:00:00]} Nd4 {[%emt 0:01:23]} 29. Be2 {
>[%eval -65,20] [%emt 0:01:10]} a5 {[%emt 0:00:06]} 30. Rb1 {
>[%eval -83,18] [%emt 0:01:01]} b4 {[%emt 0:01:20]} 31. Bd1 {
>[%eval -82,20] [%emt 0:02:42]} c5 {[%emt 0:01:06]} 32. Rc1 {
>[%eval -91,20] [%emt 0:01:08]} e4 {[%emt 0:00:04]} 33. Kg2 {
>[%eval -106,19] [%emt 0:01:36]} Rh7 {(Sb5) [%emt 0:00:20]} 34. Kf1 {
>[%eval -108,19] [%emt 0:01:57]} Rc7 {(Sb5) [%emt 0:01:55]} 35. Bxh5 {
>[%eval -115,18] [%emt 0:01:45]} c4 {[%emt 0:00:04]} 36. Bd1 {
>[%eval -121,17] [%emt 0:00:43]} c3 {[%emt 0:01:07]} 37. Ba4 {
>[%eval -173,19] [%emt 0:01:06]} Bf8 {[%emt 0:00:04]} 38. g4 {
>[%eval -201,19] [%emt 0:04:04]} Rh7 {(Ld6) [%emt 0:00:04]} 39. g5+ {
>[%eval -155,17] [%emt 0:00:53]} Ke5 {[%emt 0:00:49]} 40. Rh3 {
>[%eval -155,18] [%emt 0:00:00]} Nf3 {(Se6) [%emt 0:01:45]} 41. Kg2 {
>[%eval -184,19] [%emt 0:03:36]} Rxh4 {[%emt 0:01:04]} 42. Rxf3 {
>[%eval -184,19] [%emt 0:00:00]} exf3+ {[%emt 0:00:39]} 43. Kxf3 {
>[%eval -192,18] [%emt 0:00:32]} Rf4+ {[%emt 0:00:36]} 44. Ke2 {
>[%eval -192,19] [%emt 0:01:00]} Rg4 {(Te4+) [%emt 0:00:30]} 45. Rf1 {
>[%eval -183,18] [%emt 0:01:27]} f4 {[%emt 0:00:50]} 46. Kf3 {
>[%eval -180,19] [%emt 0:00:00]} Rxg5 {[%emt 0:00:46]} 47. Re1+ {
>[%eval -176,18] [%emt 0:00:06]} Kf6 {[%emt 0:01:19]} 48. Kxf4 {
>[%eval -170,19] [%emt 0:00:00]} Rf5+ {[%emt 0:01:23]} 49. Kg4 {
>[%eval -169,20] [%emt 0:00:00]} Rxf2 {(Td5) [%emt 0:00:47]} 50. Bb3 {
>[%eval -161,17] [%emt 0:00:58]} a4 {[%emt 0:00:04]} 51. Re6+ {
>[%eval -159,16] [%emt 0:00:39]} Kg7 {[%emt 0:00:04]} 52. Bxa4 {
>[%eval -156,17] [%emt 0:00:19]} Rxa2 {[%emt 0:00:25]} 53. Bb3 {
>[%eval -158,17] [%emt 0:00:00]} Ra3 {(Tb2) [%emt 0:00:26]} 54. Bd1 {
>[%eval -155,18] [%emt 0:00:51]} b3 {[%emt 0:00:03]} 55. Rc6 {
>[%eval -153,17] [%emt 0:00:28]} Bb4 {[%emt 0:00:03]} 56. Rc4 {
>[%eval -156,17] [%emt 0:00:41]} Ba5 {[%emt 0:00:03]} 57. Rc5 {
>[%eval -185,18] [%emt 0:00:35]} b2 {[%emt 0:00:03]} 58. Bc2 {
>[%eval -185,17] [%emt 0:01:16]} Ra1 {[%emt 0:00:03]} 59. Rg5+ {
>[%eval -245,16] [%emt 0:00:38]} Kf6 {[%emt 0:00:30]} 60. Rf5+ {
>[%eval -275,17] [%emt 0:00:00]} Ke7 {[%emt 0:00:44]} 61. Re5+ {
>[%eval -378,18] [%emt 0:00:22]} Kd6 {[%emt 0:00:54]} 62. Re2 {
>[%eval -504,18] [%emt 0:00:26]} b1=Q {[%emt 0:00:13]} 63. Bxb1 {
>[%eval -550,18] [%emt 0:00:20]} Rxb1 {[%emt 0:00:03]} 0-1
Well Peter,
I don't know what to say. The more I look at this position(after Qe5) the less
I understand. All my engines like white till I walk them through there mainline,
Then they think it's equal. As a chessplayer I feel like white should be better.
Maybe that's why I'm not a master?! Maybe Kasparov can tell us how he would have
played if Anand had went this way!
Regards
Tony
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