Author: Joe McCarron
Date: 07:36:35 07/03/98
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On July 03, 1998 at 04:09:57, Shaun Graham wrote: > A statement that must freighten most Chess programmers "I ALREADY OWN FRITZ 5". > What is to be done? Why buy Rebel 10, Genius 6 or Mchess 8 when i can't tell >that any of these programs will be significantly stronger than the previous >versions? Much less that they will be any stronger than fritz 5, as for those >who claim Fritz isn't the strongest, i would say well it's percieved by most >consumers as the strongest(as far as features probably everyone thinks it's the >best); and that's what you have to deal with. I think fritz5 is the strongest. >I don't want to see the competition start to dwindle! I'm afraid that the >success currently enjoyed by chessbase and fritz, will allow them the ability to >forge quite a large gap between themselves and the competitors. I know that for >economic reasons many of the programmers seem to think they need to put out a >new version every six months, but i'm telling you the only thing that can bring >REAL SUCCESS, is REAL IMPROVEMENT! I'm sorry to say, that the products >currently bieng released just don't cut the mustard. Why release a program 10 >points stronger when a 10 point difference more than likely isn't greater than >the statistical error? In fact I can make an upgrade just as good by getting a >better opening book. As for the cosmetic touch ups(databases etc.) well all i >have to say is "I ALREADY OWN FRITZ 5" If the whole cosmetic(not to make >databses sound unimportant) impact is not GREATER or equal to fritz 5 why should >i buy it? > >CONVINCE ME TO get these new products! > >I think selling style should be in you guys immediate feature, I love >chessmasters 5500 style! So, even though in the past according to you >pundits(don't you love bieng a pundit:)?" Chessmaster doesn't add up to the so >called upper class programs, it wont take too much to push me to buy chessmaster >6000 if it's significantly stronger with the same style. You asked a question which I would be interested in hearing responses on. Unless I missed something you just answered your own question. You already own fritz5 but you like cm's style so you'd buy it. As for fritz5 I wonder....is fritz5 the program you use to store, analyze and practice your entire opening repertoire? Note I'm not asking if you *could* use fritz to do this but if you in fact do all this with fritz. I have posted some of my frustrations with using fritz on usenet.(kk has helped out and resolved most but it seems like one problem/limitation leads to another) The latest one is that infinite analysis doesn't seem to work in tree mode (so unlike in bookup I can't develop my opening repertoire and easily have the program analyze early departures. even when I go out of tree mode in the same postiion it doesn't give me analysis) Also unlike book up It seems when I want to make annotation on a position it only saves it in a game thats in the background i.e., I can't see my annotations in tree mode. (I really don't even know if my anotations are saved with the tree or if they will onlyu appear in the game.) Whats the point of having a positional database if your annotations don't show up in the tree every time that position appears? In short if a program thats in the top 15 strength wise added the features and ease of use of bookup (and was a true 32 bit program) I'd buy it in a second. They wouldn't need to improve the engine at all.
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