Author: Arturo Ochoa
Date: 17:20:57 08/05/05
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On August 05, 2005 at 17:42:17, Uri Blass wrote: >On August 05, 2005 at 14:40:53, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: > >>On August 05, 2005 at 12:04:43, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>On August 05, 2005 at 11:40:26, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >>> >>>>On August 05, 2005 at 11:03:10, Uri Blass wrote: >>>> >>>>>On August 05, 2005 at 07:40:55, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On August 04, 2005 at 13:38:16, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On August 04, 2005 at 07:49:10, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On August 04, 2005 at 07:15:02, Engin Üstün wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>what is about the intelligence of the program? i mean the knowledge of the >>>>>>>>>program ? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Well the competition in that respect has been closed already, >>>>>>>>as diep has more chessevaluation knowledge than any other program. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>That ought to be worth a "post of the year" award. "the competition is closed". >>>>>>> :) Just like the question "can a cluster be used to play chess?" The answer >>>>>>>was (at first) "No, I can proof that the latencies are too high and the speedup >>>>>>>can't be > 1.0". It was later "yes, everyone else has tried and failed, but >>>>>>>Diep can use a cluster now." >>>>>>> >>>>>>>that gets _so_ old to continually read such crap. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Why is it that the program "with more chessevaluation knowledge than any other >>>>>>>program" can't win a major tournament with the regularity of the inferior >>>>>>>programs like Shredder and Junior? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Go figure... >>>>>> >>>>>>Are you suggesting that Shredder has less evaluation knowledge than Crafty? >>>>>> >>>>>>Go away. >>>>> >>>>>No >>>>> >>>>>Bob Hyatt never said that Crafty has more knowledge. >>>>>> >>>>>>Shredder has *way* more than you realize. >>>>>>Junior9 has way way more knowledge than older versions. >>>>>> >>>>>>The proof is obvious that chessknowledge works. >>>>> >>>>>Bob never said that chess knowledge does not work. >>>>> >>>>>Uri >>>> >>>>By the way, has your 2000 line evaluation function "enough to get world >>>>champion" already finished? >>>> >>>>Vincent >>> >>>No but I think that fruit's evaluation with better search and good book is >>>enough to win the world championship. >>> >>>How many lines are in fruit2.1's evaluation? >>> >>>Fruit eval.cpp has a less than 2000 lines >>>There are functions like piece_attack_king not in eval.cpp but on the other >>>side there are empty lines and asserts and comments in eval.cpp so I am not sure >>>if Fruit's evaluation is more than 2000 lines. >>> >>>Uri >> >>What happened to all your complaining in the 2004 world championship about >>others having superior hardware (the reason you gave why Movei lost from Diep, >>remember?). Fruit is single cpu. > >I admit that Fruit is simply better than Movei. > >About the game against Diep the tactical mistake that costed the game is a >mistake that movei could avoid with better hardware. > >I am not sure what result Movei could do with better hardware against Diep but >Diep could not win easily. > >> >>Crafty is quad opteron dual core, so is diep (quad opteron dual core 1.8Ghz >>sponsor: www.hotels.nl ), shredder quad opteron dual core 2.2Ghz minimum >>(transtec) and probably Junior (HP) be too. >> >>Did you forget all your "superior hardware always wins" complaints in 2004? >> >>Vincent > >I do not say that better hardware always win but I am almost sure that Movei >could score better with better hardware(for example it had good chances for a >draw against Crafty and in WBEC Movei beated Crafty in the match between them) > >I also think that there are good chances that movei could avoid the loss against >isichess with better hardware and the mistake that costed it the game could be >prevented with searching one ply deeper. > >Uri There are two facts: Diep beated you in WCC2004 and Zappa beated you in CCT7 in a easy way. The rest is mere cheap excuses typical from your Pre-WCCC frustrated non participation. I only read this message. Not time to argue your nonsense for now. Arturo. PD: I was the booker for this engines in those Tournaments.
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