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Subject: Re: Chess pc program on super computer

Author: Arturo Ochoa

Date: 17:20:57 08/05/05

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On August 05, 2005 at 17:42:17, Uri Blass wrote:

>On August 05, 2005 at 14:40:53, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>
>>On August 05, 2005 at 12:04:43, Uri Blass wrote:
>>
>>>On August 05, 2005 at 11:40:26, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>>>
>>>>On August 05, 2005 at 11:03:10, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On August 05, 2005 at 07:40:55, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On August 04, 2005 at 13:38:16, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On August 04, 2005 at 07:49:10, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On August 04, 2005 at 07:15:02, Engin Üstün wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>what is about the intelligence of the program? i mean the knowledge of the
>>>>>>>>>program ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Well the competition in that respect has been closed already,
>>>>>>>>as diep has more chessevaluation knowledge than any other program.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>That ought to be worth a "post of the year" award.  "the competition is closed".
>>>>>>> :)  Just like the question "can a cluster be used to play chess?"  The answer
>>>>>>>was (at first) "No, I can proof that the latencies are too high and the speedup
>>>>>>>can't be > 1.0".  It was later "yes, everyone else has tried and failed, but
>>>>>>>Diep can use a cluster now."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>that gets _so_ old to continually read such crap.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Why is it that the program "with more chessevaluation knowledge than any other
>>>>>>>program" can't win a major tournament with the regularity of the inferior
>>>>>>>programs like Shredder and Junior?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Go figure...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Are you suggesting that Shredder has less evaluation knowledge than Crafty?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Go away.
>>>>>
>>>>>No
>>>>>
>>>>>Bob Hyatt never said that Crafty has more knowledge.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Shredder has *way* more than you realize.
>>>>>>Junior9 has way way more knowledge than older versions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The proof is obvious that chessknowledge works.
>>>>>
>>>>>Bob never said that chess knowledge does not work.
>>>>>
>>>>>Uri
>>>>
>>>>By the way, has your 2000 line evaluation function "enough to get world
>>>>champion" already finished?
>>>>
>>>>Vincent
>>>
>>>No but I think that fruit's evaluation with better search and good book is
>>>enough to win the world championship.
>>>
>>>How many lines are in fruit2.1's evaluation?
>>>
>>>Fruit eval.cpp has a less than 2000 lines
>>>There are functions like piece_attack_king not  in eval.cpp but on the other
>>>side there are empty lines and asserts and comments in eval.cpp so I am not sure
>>>if Fruit's evaluation is more than 2000 lines.
>>>
>>>Uri
>>
>>What happened to all your complaining in the 2004 world championship about
>>others having superior hardware (the reason you gave why Movei lost from Diep,
>>remember?). Fruit is single cpu.
>
>I admit that Fruit is simply better than Movei.
>
>About the game against Diep the tactical mistake that costed the game is a
>mistake that movei could avoid with better hardware.
>
>I am not sure what result Movei could do with better hardware against Diep but
>Diep could not win easily.
>
>>
>>Crafty is quad opteron dual core, so is diep (quad opteron dual core 1.8Ghz
>>sponsor: www.hotels.nl ), shredder quad opteron dual core 2.2Ghz minimum
>>(transtec) and probably Junior (HP) be too.
>>
>>Did you forget all your "superior hardware always wins" complaints in 2004?
>>
>>Vincent
>
>I do not say that better hardware always win but I am almost sure that Movei
>could score better with better hardware(for example it had good chances for a
>draw against Crafty and in WBEC Movei beated Crafty in the match between them)
>
>I also think that there are good chances that movei could avoid the loss against
>isichess with better hardware and the mistake that costed it the game could be
>prevented with searching one ply deeper.
>
>Uri


There are two facts: Diep beated you in WCC2004 and Zappa beated you in CCT7 in
a easy way. The rest is mere cheap excuses typical from your Pre-WCCC frustrated
non participation.

I only read this message. Not time to argue your nonsense for now.

Arturo.

PD: I was the booker for this engines in those Tournaments.



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