Author: Uri Blass
Date: 10:44:50 08/06/05
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On August 06, 2005 at 09:19:48, Arturo Ochoa wrote: >On August 06, 2005 at 03:07:59, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On August 05, 2005 at 20:20:57, Arturo Ochoa wrote: >> >>>On August 05, 2005 at 17:42:17, Uri Blass wrote: >>> >>>>On August 05, 2005 at 14:40:53, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >>>> >>>>>On August 05, 2005 at 12:04:43, Uri Blass wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On August 05, 2005 at 11:40:26, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On August 05, 2005 at 11:03:10, Uri Blass wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On August 05, 2005 at 07:40:55, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>On August 04, 2005 at 13:38:16, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>On August 04, 2005 at 07:49:10, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>On August 04, 2005 at 07:15:02, Engin Üstün wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>what is about the intelligence of the program? i mean the knowledge of the >>>>>>>>>>>>program ? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Well the competition in that respect has been closed already, >>>>>>>>>>>as diep has more chessevaluation knowledge than any other program. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>That ought to be worth a "post of the year" award. "the competition is closed". >>>>>>>>>> :) Just like the question "can a cluster be used to play chess?" The answer >>>>>>>>>>was (at first) "No, I can proof that the latencies are too high and the speedup >>>>>>>>>>can't be > 1.0". It was later "yes, everyone else has tried and failed, but >>>>>>>>>>Diep can use a cluster now." >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>that gets _so_ old to continually read such crap. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Why is it that the program "with more chessevaluation knowledge than any other >>>>>>>>>>program" can't win a major tournament with the regularity of the inferior >>>>>>>>>>programs like Shredder and Junior? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Go figure... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Are you suggesting that Shredder has less evaluation knowledge than Crafty? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Go away. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>No >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Bob Hyatt never said that Crafty has more knowledge. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Shredder has *way* more than you realize. >>>>>>>>>Junior9 has way way more knowledge than older versions. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>The proof is obvious that chessknowledge works. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Bob never said that chess knowledge does not work. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Uri >>>>>>> >>>>>>>By the way, has your 2000 line evaluation function "enough to get world >>>>>>>champion" already finished? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Vincent >>>>>> >>>>>>No but I think that fruit's evaluation with better search and good book is >>>>>>enough to win the world championship. >>>>>> >>>>>>How many lines are in fruit2.1's evaluation? >>>>>> >>>>>>Fruit eval.cpp has a less than 2000 lines >>>>>>There are functions like piece_attack_king not in eval.cpp but on the other >>>>>>side there are empty lines and asserts and comments in eval.cpp so I am not sure >>>>>>if Fruit's evaluation is more than 2000 lines. >>>>>> >>>>>>Uri >>>>> >>>>>What happened to all your complaining in the 2004 world championship about >>>>>others having superior hardware (the reason you gave why Movei lost from Diep, >>>>>remember?). Fruit is single cpu. >>>> >>>>I admit that Fruit is simply better than Movei. >>>> >>>>About the game against Diep the tactical mistake that costed the game is a >>>>mistake that movei could avoid with better hardware. >>>> >>>>I am not sure what result Movei could do with better hardware against Diep but >>>>Diep could not win easily. >>>> >>>>> >>>>>Crafty is quad opteron dual core, so is diep (quad opteron dual core 1.8Ghz >>>>>sponsor: www.hotels.nl ), shredder quad opteron dual core 2.2Ghz minimum >>>>>(transtec) and probably Junior (HP) be too. >>>>> >>>>>Did you forget all your "superior hardware always wins" complaints in 2004? >>>>> >>>>>Vincent >>>> >>>>I do not say that better hardware always win but I am almost sure that Movei >>>>could score better with better hardware(for example it had good chances for a >>>>draw against Crafty and in WBEC Movei beated Crafty in the match between them) >>>> >>>>I also think that there are good chances that movei could avoid the loss against >>>>isichess with better hardware and the mistake that costed it the game could be >>>>prevented with searching one ply deeper. >>>> >>>>Uri >>> >>> >>>There are two facts: Diep beated you in WCC2004 and Zappa beated you in CCT7 in >>>a easy way. The rest is mere cheap excuses typical from your Pre-WCCC frustrated >>>non participation. >>> >>>I only read this message. Not time to argue your nonsense for now. >>> >>>Arturo. >>> >>>PD: I was the booker for this engines in those Tournaments. >> >>I responded to vincent and I did not talk about the game against zappa and I do >>not understand why you mention it. >> >>I also wrote nothing against you in my posts. >>It is a fact that Movei could avoid the losing mistake with searching one ply >>deeper against diep and that better hardware could help it to get one ply deeper >>in the relevant position(probably hardware that is 1.5 times faster was enough >>for it). >>It is not something personal against you. > >It is not a fact because It did not happen. > >The fact is Movei made an awful mistake. Sooner or later it would make other >mistake like this, so the result was going to be the same thing. It is possible that you are right that later it could make another losing mistake and I do not know it. It is a fact that when I analyzed the game I found that movei could play a better move with searching one ply deeper because analyzing the game later is something that happened. Uri
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