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Subject: Re: Have Fruit / Toga more Endgame-Knowledge than Fritz 8 (Diagram)?

Author: Eduard Nemeth

Date: 09:11:19 08/08/05

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On August 08, 2005 at 03:50:55, Fabien Letouzey wrote:

>On August 07, 2005 at 17:47:43, Eduard Nemeth wrote:
>
>>See it (from a game "Fritz vs Toga II based on Fruit - game end draw):
>>
>>[D]8/4kp2/8/2K2p1p/8/7P/6B1/8 b - - 0 1
>>
>>Analysis by Fritz 8,0,0,26:
>>
>>44...Kf6 45.Kd4 h4 46.Ld5 f4 47.Ke4 Kg5 48.Lc4 f3 49.Kxf3 Kf5 50.Ld5 f6
>>  +  (2.75)   Tiefe: 20/33   00:01:06  18982kN, tb=23927
>>
>>(Nemeth, Privat 07.08.2005)
>
>Hi Eduard,
>
>It seems to have more knowledge in this position (from a real game?), but it
>probably has less knowledge in 10000 other positions ...  How could you quantify
>it?

Hello Fabien, here the full game with "my own settings" for Toga II:

[Event "Wertungspartie, 5m + 0s"]
[Site "Maschinenraum"]
[Date "2005.08.07"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Schlagel, Fritz 8"]
[Black "Solist, Toga II 1.0 B EN"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "E46"]
[WhiteElo "2529"]
[BlackElo "2338"]
[PlyCount "284"]
[EventDate "2005.08.07"]
[TimeControl "300"]

1. d4 {0} Nf6 {0} 2. c4 {0} e6 {0} 3. Nc3 {0} Bb4 {0} 4. e3 {0} O-O {0} 5. Nge2
{0} d5 {0} 6. a3 {0} Be7 {0} 7. cxd5 {0} exd5 {0} 8. g3 {0} a5 {0} 9. Bg2 {0}
c6 {0} 10. O-O {0} Re8 {Solist reklamiert Gewinn wegen Verbindungsabbruch 0}
11. h3 {0} Na6 {0} 12. f3 {-0.07/11 7} b5 {10} 13. e4 {0.15/11 17} b4 {9} 14.
Na4 {0.34/10 12} c5 {11} 15. axb4 {0.53/9 5} cxd4 {19} 16. e5 {0.65/10 6} Nd7 {
2} 17. bxa5 {0.47/11 7} d3 {8} 18. Nd4 {0.37/11 0} Nxe5 {9} 19. Nb6 {0.18/11 0}
Ra7 {5} 20. Bf4 {0.15/10 2} Bc5 {6} 21. Bxe5 {0.15/11 1} Rxe5 {0} 22. Qxd3 {
0.12/11 5} Nb4 {0} 23. Qc3 {0.53/11 13} Rc7 {0} 24. Na8 {0.81/10 3} Nc2 {7} 25.
Kh1 {1.06/11 8} Bxd4 {6} 26. Qxc7 {1.22/12 0} Qxc7 {0} 27. Nxc7 {1.22/11 0}
Nxa1 {7} 28. Rxa1 {1.31/12 0} Bxb2 {4} 29. Rb1 {1.56/12 0} Bd4 {6} 30. f4 {
1.75/11 4} Re7 {3} 31. Nxd5 {1.93/11 3} Re8 {0} 32. Rd1 {2.43/12 3} Bf2 {3} 33.
a6 {2.53/12 3} Bxa6 {11} 34. Nc7 {2.47/14 0} Re1+ {2} 35. Rxe1 {2.40/15 0} Bxe1
{0} 36. Nxa6 {2.34/15 0} Bxg3 {2} 37. f5 {2.34/16 5} Bd6 {0} 38. Kg1 {2.37/15 5
} g6 {0} 39. Kf2 {2.37/15 3} gxf5 {0} 40. Ke3 {2.31/15 2} Kf8 {1} 41. Kd4 {
2.37/15 5} Ke7 {0} 42. Kd5 {2.40/15 4} h5 {5} 43. Nc5 {2.31/15 5} Bxc5 {6} 44.
Kxc5 {2.25/15 1} Kf6 {2} 45. Kd4 {2.59/17 0} Kg7 {2} 46. Ke5 {
Solist,Toga II 1.0 B EN bietet Remis 3.22/17 2} f4 {5} 47. h4 {3.22/19 0} f5 {4
} 48. Kxf4 {3.40/19 2} Kh7 {0} 49. Bd5 {3.28/22 4} Kg7 {4} 50. Bc4 {3.22/23 4}
Kh8 {4} 51. Be6 {3.22/23 4} Kh7 {5} 52. Bf7 {3.25/22 3} Kg7 {5} 53. Bb3 {
3.25/22 4} Kh8 {5} 54. Ba4 {3.18/23 4} Kh7 {4} 55. Bc6 {3.25/22 4} Kg7 {4} 56.
Bb7 {3.22/22 3} Kh8 {4} 57. Ba8 {3.22/22 3} Kg7 {3} 58. Bf3 {3.22/23 0} Kh7 {3}
59. Be2 {3.09/23 11} Kg7 {4} 60. Ba6 {3.22/22 0} Kh8 {3} 61. Bc8 {3.15/19 3}
Kh7 {3} 62. Bd7 {3.22/23 3} Kh8 {2} 63. Be8 {3.15/23 4} Kh7 {4} 64. Bb5 {
3.18/19 4} Kh8 {2} 65. Bd3 {3.12/21 3} Kh7 {3} 66. Bc2 {3.15/22 3} Kg7 {2} 67.
Bd1 {3.15/21 0} Kh8 {2} 68. Bb3 {2.97/23 2} Kh7 {2} 69. Be6 {2.93/21 0} Kh8 {3}
70. Bc4 {2.87/21 0} Kh7 {3} 71. Ba2 {2.93/21 0} Kg7 {2} 72. Bd5 {3.09/22 3} Kh7
{2} 73. Bh1 {3.15/21 3} Kg7 {2} 74. Bc6 {2.87/19 2} Kh8 {3} 75. Kg5 {3.15/22 3}
f4 {2} 76. Bf3 {3.03/22 0} Kg7 {2} 77. Kf5 {3.09/22 0} Kh7 {2} 78. Kf6 {
3.00/21 2} Kh8 {2} 79. Ke5 {2.90/22 5} Kg7 {1} 80. Ke6 {2.78/21 0} Kh7 {2} 81.
Kf7 {2.84/21 2} Kh8 {1} 82. Ke7 {2.72/19 0} Kg7 {2} 83. Kd6 {2.78/20 2} Kh8 {2}
84. Kc5 {2.78/20 2} Kg7 {1} 85. Kd4 {2.65/18 0} Kh8 {2} 86. Kd3 {2.75/19 2} Kg7
{1} 87. Kc4 {2.87/19 0} Kh8 {1} 88. Kd5 {2.97/19 2} Kg7 {2} 89. Kc6 {2.75/20 0}
Kg8 {1} 90. Kb6 {2.75/18 2} Kg7 {Solist,Toga II 1.0 B EN bietet Remis 2} 91.
Kc5 {2.87/21 2} Kh8 {1} 92. Kc4 {2.87/20 3} Kg7 {2} 93. Kd3 {2.72/20 0} Kh7 {1}
94. Ke2 {2.65/19 2} Kg7 {1} 95. Kd2 {2.72/19 0} Kh7 {2} 96. Kd1 {2.68/19 2} Kg7
{2} 97. Ke2 {2.72/19 0} Kh8 {2} 98. Kf2 {2.59/17 3} Kg7 {1} 99. Ke1 {2.62/20 0}
Kh7 {1} 100. Kd2 {2.68/19 1} Kh8 {1} 101. Kc3 {2.65/20 2} Kg7 {1} 102. Kc2 {
2.62/18 0} Kh7 {1} 103. Kb3 {2.56/16 2} Kg7 {1} 104. Kb4 {2.50/20 1} Kh8 {1}
105. Ka3 {2.62/19 1} Kg7 {1} 106. Ka4 {2.62/20 1} Kh8 {1} 107. Kb4 {2.65/20 1}
Kg7 {1} 108. Kc3 {2.72/20 0} Kh8 {1} 109. Kb2 {2.43/19 2} Kg7 {1} 110. Kb3 {
2.34/20 0} Kh8 {1} 111. Ka4 {2.62/19 1} Kg7 {1} 112. Kb5 {2.62/21 0} Kh8 {1}
113. Ka6 {2.65/18 1} Kg7 {1} 114. Kb7 {2.65/21 1} Kh8 {0} 115. Kc8 {2.50/20 1}
Kh7 {0} 116. Kd7 {2.37/19 1} Kh8 {1} 117. Kd6 {2.50/19 0} Kg7 {1} 118. Ke7 {
2.25/17 1} Kh8 {0} 119. Be2 {2.15/19 3} Kg7 {0} 120. Ke6 {2.18/19 0} Kh8 {0}
121. Kf6 {1.87/16 1} f3 {1} 122. Bf1 {1.81/20 0} Kh7 {0} 123. Kg5 {2.03/20 0}
Kg7 {0} 124. Kf4 {1.93/19 1} Kh7 {0} 125. Ke5 {1.87/18 1} Kh8 {0} 126. Bc4 {
2.09/18 1} Kg7 {0} 127. Bd3 {2.09/19 0} Kh8 {0} 128. Kf6 {1.90/17 1} f2 {0}
129. Bf1 {1.90/19 1} Kg8 {0} 130. Kf5 {1.90/20 0} Kh8 {0} 131. Ke4 {1.90/20 1}
Kg7 {0} 132. Ke5 {1.90/19 0} Kh8 {0} 133. Kf5 {1.34/15 1} Kg7 {0} 134. Ke4 {
0.81/17 0} Kh8 {0} 135. Kd5 {0.00/16 1} Kg7 {0} 136. Ke6 {0.09/16 0} Kh8 {0}
137. Ke5 {-0.13/17 2} Kg8 {0} 138. Kf4 {0.00/16 1} Kh8 {0} 139. Kf3 {0.00/18 1}
Kg7 {0} 140. Kg3 {0.00/18 0} Kh8 {0} 141. Kxf2 {0.00/21 1} Kg7 {0} 142. Be2 {
0.00/1 0} Kh8 {0} 1/2-1/2

After move 45:

[D]8/5pk1/8/5p1p/3K4/7P/6B1/8 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Fruit 2.1:

46.Lf1 Kh7 47.Kc3 Kg7 48.Kb2 Kh7 49.Kc3
  =  (0.00)   Tiefe: 20/25   00:00:13  5792kN
46.Lf1 Kh7 47.Kc3 Kg7 48.Kb2 Kh7 49.Kc3
  =  (0.00)   Tiefe: 21/29   00:00:17  7888kN
46.Lf1 Kh7 47.Kc3 Kg7 48.Kb2 Kh7 49.Kc3
  =  (0.00)   Tiefe: 22/29   00:00:23  10453kN

(Nemeth, Privat 08.08.2005)

COOL!

I wish You my best in Iceland !

>
>Fabien.

Best,
Eduard.



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