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Subject: Re: Djordje's withdrawal should not be used for anti-moderator rhetoric

Author: Mark Young

Date: 22:39:31 02/21/99

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On February 21, 1999 at 05:01:58, Bruce Moreland wrote:

>
>On February 21, 1999 at 01:09:23, KarinsDad wrote:
>
>>For the people who replied to Djordje:
>>
>>It's one thing to offer sympathy to Djordje and to ask him to reconsider.
>>
>>It is another thing to judge a moderator without having the facts.
>>
>>
>>Quite frankly, from my point of view, what Djordje did to bring this to the
>>forum in the manner in which he did was borderline inappropriate. If he wanted
>>to leave, so be it. It is his decision. But he (in reality) anonomously attacked
>>all 3 moderators in the manner in which he brought this to people's attention.
>>

: Djordje's withdrawal should not be used for anti-moderator rhetoric?

Yes it should, because it go's right to the point of why there should be open
discussion of moderation. As it was in the past, and how it should be now.

>>Without the facts, judging Will for an Email that he sent without reading it is
>>wrong.


Correct, but whos fault is that, It was the moderators who commanded that such
complaints and e-mails are now off topic and Banned. It did not use to be that
way. And is my only problem with the moderators. I think that they should act as
they see fit, but the moderators also should allow the members to post e-mail or
other abuses if they feel it necessary for the members to judge. The members
should have a right to know if the moderators are being abuses. Now we have two
examples of this, and two members are now gone because they have no recourse to
the moderators abuses.

No one is perfect, and the moderators should allow members to discuss moderation
and show why they think they were abused. Right now all the member can do is
take the abuse or leave.


Mark Young

>>
>>Also, I think that Djordje could have responded back to Will first in an attempt
>>to find out the reasons for Will's message as opposed to the way in which he
>>reacted.
>>
>>And even after Will apoplogized, people started stating that what he did was
>>wrong because he used one Email to send an official communication along with an
>>unofficial one. Bad form guys. It's not your place to judge this. It's totally
>>irrelevant.
>>
>>This moderator attacking business is getting real old. Especially when it is
>>just personal opinion shouting and not based on real information. The moderators
>>are people too, not punching bags.
>
>I haven't seen the email.  Some have seen it.  It would be hard to comment about
>this without having seen it.  Either way you comment about it, somebody who has
>seen the mail could club you over the head if you didn't correctly guess what
>was in the email.  I don't think I've seen a comment from a native English
>speaker, perhaps a nuance is being misunderstood, for example.
>
>On the other hand, here is another example of someone complaining that they got
>nasty email from the moderators.
>
>Having gotten some myself I think I understand the feelings that this kind of
>email produces.
>
>This place has been running fairly smoothly since the first of the year, and the
>current moderators deserve credit for this.  But I'd hope that the moderators
>would notice that when this place hasn't run smoothly it seems to have been
>because they've pissed someone off via email, and maybe they could take the hint
>from this that they need to be more careful about the way they address the
>people who elected them.
>
>bruce



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