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Subject: Re: Engine Test Position

Author: Darrel Briley

Date: 03:26:36 08/10/05

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On August 10, 2005 at 06:20:25, Darrel Briley wrote:

>On August 10, 2005 at 06:10:32, Eelco de Groot wrote:
>
>>On August 10, 2005 at 05:20:20, Darrel Briley wrote:
>>
>>>[D]r1b1kb1r/3n1p1p/1q3p2/4p3/1p1p4/3B1N2/PP2QPPP/R1BR2K1 w kq - 0 16
>>>
>>>From a game last night on ICC.  Shredder 9 played 16. Bc4 as first move out of
>>>book. Looking at it after the game it seems 16. Nxd4 is a shot.  Shredder took
>>>about seven and a half minutes to see it(AthlonXP 2600+ 512Mb hash).  How long
>>>do other engines take?
>>>
>>>complete score...
>>>
>>>[TimeControl "2700+15"]
>>>
>>>1. d4 Nf6 2. Nf3 d5 3. c4 e6 4. Nc3 c6 5. e3 Nbd7 6. Bd3 dxc4 7. Bxc4 b5 8.
>>>Bd3 a6 9. e4 c5 10. e5 cxd4 11. Nxb5 axb5 12. exf6 Qb6 13. O-O gxf6 14. Qe2
>>>b4 15. Rd1 e5 16. Bc4 Be7 17. Nh4 Ba6 18. Qf3 Ra7 19. Bxa6 Rxa6 20. Bh6 Bf8
>>>21. Bxf8 Nxf8 22. Rac1 Qb8 23. Rc6 Qa8 24. Qxf6 Qxc6 25. Qxe5+ Qe6 26. Qxh8
>>>f6 27. Nf3 Kf7 28. h4 Rd6 29. Re1 Qxa2 30. h5 Re6 31. Rd1 Re4 32. Rc1 Qxb2
>>>33. Rc5 Qb1+ 34. Kh2 Re8 35. Rc7+ Re7 36. Rc8 Re8 37. Rxe8 Kxe8 38. Qxf6 Qe4
>>>39. Nxd4 Nd7 40. Qd6 Qe5+ 41. Qxe5+ Nxe5 42. Nb3 Nd3 43. Kg3 Ke7 44. f4 Kd6
>>>45. Kf3 Kd5 46. g4 Ne1+ 47. Kg3 Nc2 48. f5 Nd4 49. Nxd4 Kxd4 50. f6 b3 51.
>>>f7 b2 52. f8=Q b1=Q 53. Kh4 Kd5 54. Qf7+ Ke5 55. Qc7+ Kf6 56. Qf4+ Kg7 57.
>>>h6+ Kg6 58. Qg5+ Kf7 59. Qf5+ Qxf5 60. gxf5 Kf6 61. Kg4 Ke7 62. Kg3 Kf6
>>>{Game drawn by mutual agreement}
>>>1/2-1/2
>>>
>>>Odd play at end due to missing semicolon separating TB paths
>>>
>>>                                DB
>>
>>15..e5 is clearly a big blunder. Pro Deo 1.1 Default needs little time to find
>>16.Nxd4, 36 seconds, but so does Shredder 9 UCI, 36 seconds on my Athlon 3200+,
>>100 Mb HT. Are you sure your set-up is right? 7 minutes to find it seems not
>>exactly right.
>>
>>Regards, Eelco
>>
>
>Eelco,
>
>I'm not sure why my setup took so long to find it....it's possible it saw the
>move earlier and I returned and just noted the last eval.
>
>                              DB

This still wouldn't explain why it wasn't found during the game.  As you can see
the TC was 45 15.  Of course it sees it immediately now because of position
learning.

                               DB



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