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Subject: Re: Djordje's withdrawal should not be used for anti-moderator rhetoric

Author: Don Dailey

Date: 07:48:48 02/22/99

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On February 22, 1999 at 10:09:20, Harald Faber wrote:

>On February 22, 1999 at 09:23:12, Dan Kiski wrote:
>
>>Correct, but whos fault is that, It was the moderators who commanded that such
>>complaints and e-mails are now off topic and Banned. It did not use to be that
>>way. And is my only problem with the moderators. I think that they should act as
>>they see fit, but the moderators also should allow the members to post e-mail or
>>other abuses if they feel it necessary for the members to judge. The members
>>should have a right to know if the moderators are being abuses. Now we have two
>>examples of this, and two members are now gone because they have no recourse to
>>the moderators abuses.
>>
>>I assume you are counting yourself as one of those two, remember we the members
>>of CCC wanted strong moderation, even this post I am making is in itself
>>off-topic. So I will add, I think CM6K will be 5th on the next SSDF :)))
>
>Very tricky although I think we are strong and regardful. :-)
>If there is reason to act we do it with pressure.
>And sometimes there are requests of deleting posts where we said "OK, it COULD
>be deleted but wait what will happen." We waited and saw that the thread died or
>the doubtful statement was ignored so we left it.
>I think this is a fine way to handle this group and it worked and still works.
>I can't help when Djordje leaves because he can't differ between moderator and
>personal e-mail (which he could have got from EVERYONE).
>I can't help when Ernst goes because of a message deletion with a doubtful
>sense.
>And finally I can't help when RT leaves because he has a different opinion of
>his obvious insult.
>No problem for me, if this is how it goes. It is a pity but I won't beg for
>coming back nor excuse for that, there is no reason for excuses.
>The cases could have been more objective if both parties would have not been so
>rageous.
>However, we won't change it.
>If there is a fly in your cup of coffee you can decide to call for the waiter to
>bring a new one or you can go and leave the restaurant. Seems as if here are
>some guys preferring the 2nd alternative.
>
>>No one is perfect, and the moderators should allow members to discuss moderation
>>and show why they think they were abused. Right now all the member can do is
>>take the abuse or leave.
>
>What we don't want to be discussed is every single message deletion.

I think your point of view is a very reasonable one.  The vast majority
want a little moderatorship and that's what you give.   I laugh when
when anyone walks out on the club,  it's like they are willing to punish
themselves by leaving to "teach us a lesson."    A big DUH!!!

- Don



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