Author: Don Dailey
Date: 08:16:04 02/22/99
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>: Djordje's withdrawal should not be used for anti-moderator rhetoric? > >Yes it should, because it go's right to the point of why there should be open >discussion of moderation. As it was in the past, and how it should be now. > >>>Without the facts, judging Will for an Email that he sent without reading it is >>>wrong. > > >Correct, but whos fault is that, It was the moderators who commanded that such >complaints and e-mails are now off topic and Banned. It did not use to be that >way. And is my only problem with the moderators. I think that they should act as >they see fit, but the moderators also should allow the members to post e-mail or >other abuses if they feel it necessary for the members to judge. The members >should have a right to know if the moderators are being abuses. Now we have two >examples of this, and two members are now gone because they have no recourse to >the moderators abuses. The moderators are not abusive. A member just left the group on his own accord and he even posted the private moderator letter (which showed his personal attack) and the moderator email. The email gave the reason clearly and was not an attack. Leaving the group and trying to embarass the moderators was yet another attack. I don't undertand why these facts are not crystal clear. The guy clearly did not have to leave the group, he chose to because of his ego. I think if you look at the facts you will see that there was abuse, but not from the moderators. I personally think it is working out fine. I hate to see anyone leave the group, but I have to admit, if someone is attacking me or my friends, I probably won't miss them quite as much and I would be reluctant too to beg them to come back. If someone came to your house and punched you out, then loudly declared he was leaving because you were offended by this, would you beg him not to leave? I sure wouldn't. >No one is perfect, and the moderators should allow members to discuss moderation They do allow this. Several weeks ago a post from the moderators was made saying it was ok to talk about moderation. They were previously opposed to the idea. I think I am opposed too, but if it's being allowed I will go ahead and talk about it too! >and show why they think they were abused. Right now all the member can do is >take the abuse or leave. Mark, the problem is that about 1% of the members (and almost always the 1% who attack people when they post) are always deeply offended by any form of discipline and will always believe they were abused. The same 1% always think it's ok to dish out abuse. That's the real problem. I don't want to see this 1% using our newsgroup to continually try to justify why they had a right to abuse someone. - Don >Mark Young > >>> >>>Also, I think that Djordje could have responded back to Will first in an attempt >>>to find out the reasons for Will's message as opposed to the way in which he >>>reacted. >>> >>>And even after Will apoplogized, people started stating that what he did was >>>wrong because he used one Email to send an official communication along with an >>>unofficial one. Bad form guys. It's not your place to judge this. It's totally >>>irrelevant. >>> >>>This moderator attacking business is getting real old. Especially when it is >>>just personal opinion shouting and not based on real information. The moderators >>>are people too, not punching bags. >> >>I haven't seen the email. Some have seen it. It would be hard to comment about >>this without having seen it. Either way you comment about it, somebody who has >>seen the mail could club you over the head if you didn't correctly guess what >>was in the email. I don't think I've seen a comment from a native English >>speaker, perhaps a nuance is being misunderstood, for example. >> >>On the other hand, here is another example of someone complaining that they got >>nasty email from the moderators. >> >>Having gotten some myself I think I understand the feelings that this kind of >>email produces. >> >>This place has been running fairly smoothly since the first of the year, and the >>current moderators deserve credit for this. But I'd hope that the moderators >>would notice that when this place hasn't run smoothly it seems to have been >>because they've pissed someone off via email, and maybe they could take the hint >>from this that they need to be more careful about the way they address the >>people who elected them. >> >>bruce
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