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Subject: Re: here my guess...

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 19:04:41 08/11/05

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On August 11, 2005 at 20:59:16, Madhavan wrote:

>On August 11, 2005 at 14:37:56, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On August 11, 2005 at 14:00:24, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On August 11, 2005 at 13:57:36, Madhavan wrote:
>>>
>>>>On August 11, 2005 at 13:53:37, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On August 11, 2005 at 12:55:10, Thorsten Czub wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>1.  Fruit
>>>>>>2.  Shredder
>>>>>>3.  Junior
>>>>>>4.  Crafty
>>>>>>5.  Zappa
>>>>>>6.  Diep
>>>>>>7.  Sjeng
>>>>>>8.  Jonny
>>>>>>9.  IsiChess
>>>>>>10. My_fute
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>That will be a miracle.  A single opteron CPU (single core) is 2x as fast as a
>>>>>3.0ghz pentium.  I, at least, will be running on 8 of 'em.  That is a tough
>>>>>disadvantage to overcome...
>>>>
>>>>Don't forget Fruit beta has got another 100 elo improvement.
>>>
>>>
>>>Doesn't matter at all.  a speed advantage of 16x is huge.  Not insurmountable,
>>>but _huge_ and very difficult to overcome.
>>
>>I guess that it does not gives more than 150-200 elo improvement because of
>>diminishing return that means that being twice faster give only 40-50 elo
>>improvement at long time control and not 70 elo.
>>
>>It seems that public fruit is about 150-200 elo better than public Crafty.
>>I expect both WCCC fruit and WCCC Crafty to be better than the public version so
>>it seems to me that fruit and Crafty have equal chances.
>>
>>Maybe Crafty has better chances because you could learn from Fruit's evaluation
>>so you improved Crafty more than Fabien improved Fruit but only you can tell if
>>looking at the source of fruit helped you to improve Crafty.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>Also I don't believe the +100 elo stuff anyway, otherwise all the programs would
>>>be rated 3600 and up by now...
>>
>>I also do not believe the +100 elo stuff for fruit in this version but the stuff
>>is only about fruit so I do not see how you get your conclusion about other
>>programs.
>>
>>The +100 elo stuff was correct for Fruit in the past and it is a fact that fruit
>>improved faster than other programs
>>
>>Fruit2.0 was already above Crafty level on one cpu and Fruit2.1 is slightly more
>>than 100 elo better than fruit2.0 based on the CEGT rating list.
>
>
>I was just speculating that Fruit might have got another 100 Elo improvement.I
>WANTED Fabien to improve this public fruit a lot.But unfortnuately,Massy Version
>and the public version seems nearly the same.so,I don't expect Fruit to finish
>top 2,not even 3.#3 is at its best!
>
>and BTW,Bob admitted a while ago that he hadn't seen any of Fabien's code and
>had not seen any fruit-crafty games.so he has had no idea of how Fruit plays.
>
>
>>Uri


"admitted"???  sounds like I had earlier said one thing and later admitted
something else?  Not what happened.  I've never claimed to know a thing about
Fruit.  Never looked at the code.  Not seen any games.  Etc.

Easiest test of all this comes in a few days.  Everyone will play everyone, with
only 10 programs entered...




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