Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 19:04:41 08/11/05
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On August 11, 2005 at 20:59:16, Madhavan wrote: >On August 11, 2005 at 14:37:56, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On August 11, 2005 at 14:00:24, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>On August 11, 2005 at 13:57:36, Madhavan wrote: >>> >>>>On August 11, 2005 at 13:53:37, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>> >>>>>On August 11, 2005 at 12:55:10, Thorsten Czub wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>1. Fruit >>>>>>2. Shredder >>>>>>3. Junior >>>>>>4. Crafty >>>>>>5. Zappa >>>>>>6. Diep >>>>>>7. Sjeng >>>>>>8. Jonny >>>>>>9. IsiChess >>>>>>10. My_fute >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>That will be a miracle. A single opteron CPU (single core) is 2x as fast as a >>>>>3.0ghz pentium. I, at least, will be running on 8 of 'em. That is a tough >>>>>disadvantage to overcome... >>>> >>>>Don't forget Fruit beta has got another 100 elo improvement. >>> >>> >>>Doesn't matter at all. a speed advantage of 16x is huge. Not insurmountable, >>>but _huge_ and very difficult to overcome. >> >>I guess that it does not gives more than 150-200 elo improvement because of >>diminishing return that means that being twice faster give only 40-50 elo >>improvement at long time control and not 70 elo. >> >>It seems that public fruit is about 150-200 elo better than public Crafty. >>I expect both WCCC fruit and WCCC Crafty to be better than the public version so >>it seems to me that fruit and Crafty have equal chances. >> >>Maybe Crafty has better chances because you could learn from Fruit's evaluation >>so you improved Crafty more than Fabien improved Fruit but only you can tell if >>looking at the source of fruit helped you to improve Crafty. >> >> >>> >>>Also I don't believe the +100 elo stuff anyway, otherwise all the programs would >>>be rated 3600 and up by now... >> >>I also do not believe the +100 elo stuff for fruit in this version but the stuff >>is only about fruit so I do not see how you get your conclusion about other >>programs. >> >>The +100 elo stuff was correct for Fruit in the past and it is a fact that fruit >>improved faster than other programs >> >>Fruit2.0 was already above Crafty level on one cpu and Fruit2.1 is slightly more >>than 100 elo better than fruit2.0 based on the CEGT rating list. > > >I was just speculating that Fruit might have got another 100 Elo improvement.I >WANTED Fabien to improve this public fruit a lot.But unfortnuately,Massy Version >and the public version seems nearly the same.so,I don't expect Fruit to finish >top 2,not even 3.#3 is at its best! > >and BTW,Bob admitted a while ago that he hadn't seen any of Fabien's code and >had not seen any fruit-crafty games.so he has had no idea of how Fruit plays. > > >>Uri "admitted"??? sounds like I had earlier said one thing and later admitted something else? Not what happened. I've never claimed to know a thing about Fruit. Never looked at the code. Not seen any games. Etc. Easiest test of all this comes in a few days. Everyone will play everyone, with only 10 programs entered...
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