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Subject: Re: Congrats to Spike team!

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 04:49:56 08/13/05

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On August 13, 2005 at 04:33:42, Ralf Schäfer wrote:

>On August 12, 2005 at 17:53:43, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On August 12, 2005 at 17:50:57, Uri Blass wrote:
>>
>>>On August 12, 2005 at 16:01:02, Günther Simon wrote:
>>>
>>>>On August 12, 2005 at 15:46:20, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>>
>>>>...snip
>>>>
>>>>>>Rang  	Teilnehmer  	S  	R  	V  	Punkte  	Buchh.  	Pkt.Sum.
>>>>>>1 	Spike 	        5 	1 	1 	5,5 	31,5 	25,5
>>>>>>2 	Jonny 	        5 	1 	1 	5,5 	28,0 	20,5
>>>>>>3 	Glaurung 	4 	2 	1 	5,0 	29,5 	18,5
>>>>>>4 	Shredder 	5 	0 	2 	5,0 	29,0 	21,0
>>>>>>5 	Ikarus 	        4 	1 	2 	4,5 	26,0 	18,0
>>>>>>6 	List 	        4 	1 	2 	4,5 	26,0 	16,0
>>>>>>7 	Pharaon 	4 	0 	3 	4,0 	29,5 	19,0
>>>>>>8 	DeepSjeng 	3 	2 	2 	4,0 	27,5 	16,0
>>>>>>9 	TheBaron 	4 	0 	3 	4,0 	27,0 	17,0
>>>>...
>>>>>I did not know that it was only 7 rounds.
>>>>>It helps to explain shredder's failure(and I see that 5 out of 7 are enough even
>>>>>not to win third place).
>>>>>
>>>>>I thought that there are at least 9 rounds.
>>>>>
>>>>>It seems that WCCC in standard chess is more serious tournament than WCCC in
>>>>>FRC.
>>>>>
>>>>>I wonder which program beated shredder except spike.
>>>>
>>>>It was Richards The Baron.
>>>>
>>>>Guenther
>>>
>>>Thanks can I find crosstable to see not only number of points but who were the
>>>opponents of every player.
>>>
>>>Uri
>>
>>I can add also that I cannot find details about hardware of the participants.
>>
>>Uri
>
>
>Hi Uri,
>
>maybe you already have the information about the pairings, but just for the case
> here are the pairings for all 7 rounds (hope it will be readable) :
>
>Paarungsliste der 1. Runde
>Shredder  (0)  - Nexus     (0)  1 - 0
>Glaurung  (0)  - List      (0)  1 - 0
>Deep Sjeng(0)  - Ant960    (0)  ½ - ½
>Quark     (0)  - Pharaon   (0)  0 - 1
>parSOS    (0)  - Patzer    (0)  1 - 0
>XiniX     (0)  - Spike     (0)  0 - 1
>Ikarus    (0)  - Hermann   (0)  1 - 0
>Homer     (0)  - Jonny     (0)  0 - 1
>TheBaron  (0)  - Ayito     (0)  1 - 0
>AICE      (0)  - spielfrei (0)  + - -
>
>Paarungsliste der 2. Runde
>Jonny     (1)  - Shredder  (1)  0 - 1
>Pharaon   (1)  - Ikarus    (1)  1 - 0
>AICE      (1)  - parSOS    (1)  0 - 1
>Spike     (1)  - TheBaron  (1)  1 - 0
>Ant960    (½)  - Glaurung  (1)  ½ - ½
>List      (0)  - Deep Sjeng(½)  1 - 0
>Nexus     (0)  - XiniX     (0)  ½ - ½
>Hermann   (0)  - Quark     (0)  0 - 1
>Patzer    (0)  - Homer     (0)  1 - 0
>Ayito     (0)  - spielfrei (0)  + - -
>
>Paarungsliste der 3. Runde
>Shredder  (2)  - Spike     (2)  0 - 1
>parSOS    (2)  - Pharaon   (2)  0 - 1
>Glaurung  (1½) - Jonny     (1)  0 - 1
>Quark     (1)  - List      (1)  0 - 1
>Ikarus    (1)  - Patzer    (1)  1 - 0
>TheBaron  (1)  - AICE      (1)  1 - 0
>Ayito     (1)  - Ant960    (1)  0 - 1
>Deep Sjeng(½)  - Nexus     (½)  1 - 0
>XiniX     (½)  - Hermann   (0)  0 - 1
>Homer     (0)  - spielfrei (0)  + - -
>
>Paarungsliste der 4. Runde
>Pharaon   (3)  - Spike     (3)  0 - 1
>Ant960    (2)  - Shredder  (2)  0 - 1
>List      (2)  - Ikarus    (2)  ½ - ½
>Jonny     (2)  - parSOS    (2)  1 - 0
>Deep Sjeng(1½) - TheBaron  (2)  1 - 0
>Patzer    (1)  - Glaurung  (1½) 0 - 1
>Homer     (1)  - Quark     (1)  0 - 1
>Hermann   (1)  - Ayito     (1)  1 - 0
>AICE      (1)  - XiniX     (½)  1 - 0
>Nexus     (½)  - spielfrei (0)  + - -
>
>Paarungsliste der 5. Runde
>Spike     (4)  - Jonny     (3)  ½ - ½
>Shredder  (3)  - Pharaon   (3)  1 - 0
>Glaurung  (2½) - Deep Sjeng(2½) ½ - ½
>parSOS    (2)  - List      (2½) 1 - 0
>Ikarus    (2½) - Ant960    (2)  1 - 0
>TheBaron  (2)  - Hermann   (2)  1 - 0
>Quark     (2)  - AICE      (2)  1 - 0
>Nexus     (1½) - Homer     (1)  1 - 0
>Ayito     (1)  - Patzer    (1)  0 - 1
>XiniX     (½)  - spielfrei (0)  + - -
>
>Paarungsliste der 6. Runde
>Spike     (4½) - Ikarus    (3½) 1 - 0
>TheBaron  (3)  - Shredder  (4)  1 - 0
>Jonny     (3½) - Quark     (3)  1 - 0
>Deep Sjeng(3)  - parSOS    (3)  1 - 0
>Pharaon   (3)  - Glaurung  (3)  0 - 1
>List      (2½) - Nexus     (2½) 1 - 0
>Ant960    (2)  - AICE      (2)  0 - 1
>Patzer    (2)  - XiniX     (1½) 0 - 1
>Homer     (1)  - Ayito     (1)  1 - 0
>Hermann   (2)  - spielfrei (0)  + - -
>
>Paarungsliste der 7. Runde
>Glaurung  (4)  - Spike     (5½) 1 - 0
>Jonny     (4½) - TheBaron  (4)  1 - 0
>Shredder  (4)  - Deep Sjeng(4)  1 - 0
>Herrmann  (3)  - List      (3½) 0 - 1
>Ikarus    (3½) - parSOS    (3)  1 - 0
>AICE      (3)  - Pharaon   (3)  0 - 1
>Nexus     (2½) - Quark     (3)  ½ - ½
>XiniX     (2½) - Ayito     (1)  1 - 0
>Ant960    (2)  - Homer     (2)  1 - 0
>spielfrei (0)  - Patzer    (2)  - - +
>
>Best wishes
>Ralf

Thanks
Congatulation for your win in WCCC and it seems clear to me that Shredder
deserved the third place based on fair ranking.

Analyzing the results
there were 2 groups of programs:
1)the weak programs:
Patzer,Homer.Ayito that could win only against no opponents and against
themselves.

2)The rest of the programs (16 programs).

Hermann beated Xinix that drew with Nexus that drew with quark that beated Aice
that beated Ant that drew with Glaurung that beated spike so even hermann
indirectly have a path to beat spike.

analyzing the result of shredder and glaurung suggest that 5 of their opponents
were the same

The differences was that shredder played against Nexus and the Baron when
Glaurung played against List and Patzer.

The difference in rating between Patzer and every program is infinite if the
event repeats again and again so Glaurung could expect to score 1 against Patzer
and had only to play against List when Shredder could expect to fight against
Baron and Nexus.

I did not calculate it but I am almost sure that
Nexus and the baron were harder opponents than List and Patzer based on the
results.

Uri



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