Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 07:41:07 08/13/05
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On August 13, 2005 at 09:00:55, Arturo Ochoa wrote: >On August 12, 2005 at 16:15:37, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On August 12, 2005 at 05:46:42, Arturo Ochoa wrote: >> >>>On August 07, 2005 at 00:12:15, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>> >>>>On August 06, 2005 at 21:27:32, Arturo Ochoa wrote: >>>> >>>>>On August 06, 2005 at 20:15:07, gerold daniels wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>Would it have much of an impact on the commercial Programs. >>>>>> >>>>>>Gerold. >>>>> >>>>>I don´t think it will have a strong impact for the Comercial Programs. >>>>> >>>>>However, your question is too too wide and any answer is a mere speculation. >>>>> >>>>>Ok, my answers (speculations) >>>>> >>>>>1) Fruit could become comercial. >>>>> >>>>>2) It would be a great surprise because it would be the first free chess program >>>>>with open source in winning a Title. >>>> >>>> >>>>Oops. :) >>> >>>This Oops means you asphyxiated. >>> >>>> >>>>Cray Blitz won several, and it was always "open source" as well. :) >>>> >>>>The chess 4.x guys distributed their source thru the CDC user's group as well... >>> >>>Was Cray Blitz and Chess 4.X Amateur Engines? As far as I know, Chess 4.X was >>>the strongest engine in the 70s but was it considered an Ameteur? The same >>>question goes for Cray Blitz. >> >>By any standard used by the ICCA/ICGA, yes. Just as Crafty is amateur today. >>And both programs were public source as well as several others, dating back to >>say COKO in the first ACM computer chess event in 1970, to mention just one... >> >>If you consider crafty an amateur program today, then CB has to be the same. I >>was the author. Was working at a university during the development, was at UAB >>for the last 10 years of CB's playing years (1985-1994)... >> >>Not sure how else it could be considered anything but amateur based on the >>current ICGA definition of "amateur, semi-professional and professional" (all of >>which are a complte crock in my opinion, but that is another subject..) >> >>> >>>For me, Fruit would be the first engine in reaching an Official WCCC Tournament. >>>Does it hurt your pride? >> >>No pride involved. Just facts. But claiming that (if fruit were to win) that >>it is the first public-source amateur program to win the WCCC would simply be >>dead wrong. Chess 4.x in 1977, CB in 1983/1986 were all open source and amateur >>by today's definition. > >I did not claimed. You, guys of this Forum, have a problem accusing people of >claiming things No, here _you_ have a problem. Here is a direct quote from the post by you that I responded to: "2) It would be a great surprise because it would be the first free chess program with open source in winning a Title." I simply pointed out that was _wrong_. Both Cray Blitz and chess 4.x were open source and both won WCCC events, chess 4.x won one, Cray Blitz won 2. So how am I "accusing you of claiming things" when I simply responded to a _direct_ statement that you made that was wrong... And I did it in a non-hostile manner as well, just pointing out that you had overlooked two examples of open source programs from the 70's, 80's and 90's... > >I said: "However, your question is too too wide and any answer is a mere >speculation. Ok, my answers (speculations)". I did not claimed. I entered in the >terrain of the speculations..... So? Your speculation was wrong, and it contained an erroneous statement since it directly implied that no public source program had ever won a WCCC-type event in the past. > >I did not claimed. I only said a mere speculation if you can undertand. Your >information was interesting for me but your opps,,, apsss,,,,,, remove your >serious sense of the information. That is. > >Now, you pretend create a long thread from a speculation. My god. You have a serious problem. All you needed to say was "I didn't know that" and move on. To make it simple, you were wrong on that count. I pointed out the mistake. If you can't take someone pointing out a simple mistake, in a polite way, then you have problems beyond not knowing your computer chess history...
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