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Subject: Re: Shredder without its Openings Book is as dumb as any amateur !

Author: Jorge Pichard

Date: 10:53:41 08/13/05

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On August 13, 2005 at 09:05:13, Ralf Schäfer wrote:

>On August 13, 2005 at 08:44:59, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>
>>On August 13, 2005 at 08:37:29, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>>
>>>On August 13, 2005 at 08:26:17, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>>>
>>>>[Event "1. Livingston Chess960 Computer World Championship"]
>>>>[Site "Mainz"]
>>>>[Date "2005/8/12"]
>>>>[Round "6"]
>>>>[White "TheBaron (3)"]
>>>>[Black "Shredder (4)"]
>>>>[Result "1-0"]
>>>>[SetUp "1"]
>>>>[FEN "[D]brnknbqr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/BRNKNBQR w KQkq - 0 1 "]
>>>>[Termination "normal"]
>>>>[PlyCount "113"]
>>>>[WhiteType "program"]
>>>>[BlackType "program"]
>>>>
>>>>1.e4 b6 2.f3 Bb7 3.b4 f6 4.c4 e5 5.Nc2 Qe6 6.Nb3 g6 7.Be2 Bh6 8.d4 f5 9.exf5
>>>>Qxf5 10.dxe5 Ng7 11.Bc3 Qe6 12.Ne3 Bf4 13.Ng4 a5 14.bxa5 Qf5 15.Rb2 h5 16.e6 Re8
>>>>17.Nd4 Qf8 18.Nf6 Rxe6 19.Nxe6+ Nxe6 20.Kc2 d6 21.Bd3 Nc5 22.Qe1 Bc6 23.Be4
>>>>Bxe4+
>>>>24.Nxe4 Qf5 25.h3 g5 26.g4 Qh7 27.Bf6+ Kd7 28.Bd4 Ne6 29.Bc3 Nc5 30.gxh5 Qf5
>>>>31.h6 d5
>>>>32.cxd5 Nd6 33.Qe2 Rc8 34.a6 Re8 35.a7 Qg6 36.Kd1 Ndxe4 37.Qb5+ Ke7 38.fxe4 Rf8
>>>>39.Bd4
>>>>Nd7 40.h7 Qxh7 41.Qc6 Bd6 42.Re2 Qh4 43.a8=Q Rxa8 44.Qxa8 Qg3 45.Re3 Qg2 46.Rhe1
>>>>Bb4 47.Bc3 Bxc3 48.Rxc3 Qf2 49.Qc6 Qd4+ 50.Ke2 Qe5 51.Rf1 g4 52.Rf7+ Kxf7
>>>>53.Qxd7+
>>>>Qe7 54.Qxg4 Ke8 55.Rf3 Kd8 56.Qg8+ Kd7 57.Rf7  {} 1-0
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>[Event "1. Livingston Chess960 Computer World Championship"]
>>>>[Site "Mainz"]
>>>>[Date "2005/8/11"]
>>>>[Round "?"]
>>>>[White "Shredder"]
>>>>[Black "Spike"]
>>>>[Result "0-1"]
>>>>[SetUp "1"]
>>>>[FEN "[D]brnqnbkr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/BRNQNBKR w KQkq - 0 1 "]
>>>>[Termination "normal"]
>>>>[PlyCount "126"]
>>>>[WhiteType "program"]
>>>>[BlackType "program"]
>>>>
>>>>1.e3 b5 2.b3 e6 3.Qh5 g6 4.Qh3 Bg7 5.Bxg7 Nxg7 6.d4 Nd6 7.Bd3 h5 8.Ne2 Ngf5
>>>>9.Ng3 Nxg3 10.Qxg3 h4 11.Qh3 f5 12.f4 g5 13.fxg5 Qxg5 14.O-O Ne4 15.Bxe4 Bxe4
>>>>16.b4
>>>>O-O-O 17.a4 bxa4 18.Ra1 Kb8 19.c4 Qh5 20.Rf2 Rdf8 21.Rfa2 f4 22.exf4 Rxf4 23.Nd3
>>>>Rg4
>>>>24.Nc5 Kc8 25.Nxe4 Rxe4 26.R2xa4 Rxd4 27.Re1 Rd1 28.Qe3 Rxe1+ 29.Qxe1 Qg4
>>>>30.Rxa7 h3
>>>>31.g3 Qxc4 32.Qa1? I believe that this was the losing move
>>>
>>>[D]2k4r/R1pp4/4p3/8/1Pq5/6Pp/7P/Q5K1 b - - 1 32
>>>Shredder-FRC should had played 32.Ra8+ winning the black rook!
>>
>>Sorry I missed that 33....Qd4+ get the white Rook back :-)
>>That is the reason why a good chessplayer needs to find the losing move of
>>Shredder-FRC, or simply Spike played too good or a perfect game.
>>
>>>
>>> Rh5 33.Ra8+ Kb7 34.Rf8 Kb6 35.Qa8 Qd4+ 36.Kf1 Rf5+ 37.Rxf5
>>>>Qd3+
>>>>38.Kf2 Qxf5+ 39.Ke3 Qf6 40.Qa3 Qf1 41.Qb2 d6 42.Qd4+ Kb7 43.Qd2 d5 44.g4 Kc6
>>>>45.Qc2+
>>>>Kd7 46.Qh7+ Kd6 47.Qg8 Qg1+ 48.Kd3 Qxh2 49.Qd8+ Kc6 50.Qe8+ Kb6 51.Qb8+ Ka6
>>>>52.g5
>>>>Qg3+ 53.Kc2 h2 54.Qa8+ Kb5 55.Qa5+ Kc6 56.Qa6+ Kd7 57.Qf1 Qg1 58.Qf7+ Kd6
>>>>59.Qf8+
>>>>Kc6 60.Qe8+ Kb7 61.Qb5+ Qb6 62.Qf1 Qc6+ 63.Kd1 Qa6  {} 0-1
>
>Hi Jorge,
>
>here is the pgn written by Arena during the game, it includes scores and depths.
>You can see that Spike was happy about the position since 3.Qh5, and I can tell
>you that Stefan also was a bit disappointed about that move. In the following
>the white queen got stuck on h3 for about 20 moves which was a big advantage for
>black.
>
>Best wishes
>Ralf

You mean to tell me that the greatest Chess Program with the highest SSDF
rating, doesn'r know common opening principles, not to activate the queen too
early during the first 5 moves. Therefore, Shredder without its Openings Book is
as dumb as any 2000 rated amateur program.
>
>Event "Chess960 CWC"]
>[Site "Mainz"]
>[Date "2005.08.11"]
>[Round "3"]
>[White "Shredder"]
>[Black "Spike 1.0 FRC"]
>[Result "0-1"]
>[Time "16:28:04"]
>[TimeControl "1440+2"]
>[SetUp "1"]
>[FEN "brnqnbkr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/BRNQNBKR w KQkq - 0 1 "]
>[Termination "normal"]
>[PlyCount "126"]
>[WhiteType "program"]
>[BlackType "program"]
>
>1.e3 b5 {-0.13/15} 2.b3 e6 {+0.02/14} 3.Qh5 g6 {+0.29/13} 4.Qh3 Bg7 {+0.17/14}
>5.Bxg7 Nxg7 {+0.28/14} 6.d4 Nd6 {+0.37/13} 7.Bd3 h5 {+0.45/15} 8.Ne2 Ngf5
>{+0.42/15}
>9.Ng3 Nxg3 {+0.40/14} 10.Qxg3 h4 {+0.28/15} 11.Qh3 f5 {+0.27/15} 12.f4 g5
>{+0.29/17}
>13.fxg5 Qxg5 {+0.19/16} 14.O-O Ne4 {+0.11/16} 15.Bxe4 Bxe4 {+0.05/16} 16.b4
>O-O-O
>{+0.53/13} 17.a4 bxa4 {+0.46/15} 18.Ra1 Kb8 {+0.39/15} 19.c4 Qh5 {+0.42/13}
>20.Rf2 Rdf8
>{+0.60/15} 21.Rfa2 f4 {+1.05/14} 22.exf4 Rxf4 {+0.64/14} 23.Nd3 Rg4 {+0.48/14}
>24.Nc5 Kc8
>{+0.43/13} 25.Nxe4 Rxe4 {+0.57/15} 26.R2xa4 Rxd4 {+0.51/15} 27.Re1 Rd1
>{+1.02/13} 28.Qe3
>Rxe1+ {+1.27/14} 29.Qxe1 Qg4 {+1.18/15} 30.Rxa7 h3 {+1.29/14} 31.g3 Qxc4
>{+1.39/15}
>32.Qa1 Rh5 {+1.38/15} 33.Ra8+ Kb7 34.Rf8 Kb6 {+1.40/15} 35.Qa8 Qd4+ {+1.41/15}
>36.Kf1
>Rf5+ {+1.48/13} 37.Rxf5 Qd3+ {+1.41/15} 38.Kf2 Qxf5+ {+1.34/14} 39.Ke3 Qf6
>{+1.31/14} 40.Qa3 Qf1 {+1.65/14} 41.Qb2 d6 {+1.67/14} 42.Qd4+ Kb7 {+1.67/14}
>43.Qd2 d5
>{+1.93/14} 44.g4 Kc6 {+2.50/13} 45.Qc2+ Kd7 {+2.68/13} 46.Qh7+ Kd6 {+2.82/14}
>47.Qg8 Qg1+
>{+2.23/11} 48.Kd3 Qxh2 {+2.28/12} 49.Qd8+ Kc6 {+3.89/14} 50.Qe8+ Kb6 {+4.86/14}
>51.Qb8+
>Ka6 {+5.03/14} 52.g5 Qg3+ {+10.32/14} 53.Kc2 h2 {+11.01/14} 54.Qa8+ Kb5
>{+11.66/15}
>55.Qa5+ Kc6 {+11.97/16} 56.Qa6+ Kd7 57.Qf1 Qg1 {+12.43/14} 58.Qf7+ Kd6
>{+13.03/16}
>59.Qf8+ Kc6 {+13.24/14} 60.Qe8+ Kb7 {+14.03/15} 61.Qb5+ Qb6 {+14.36/15} 62.Qf1
>Qc6+
>{+16.65/14} 63.Kd1 Qa6 {+17.56/13}  *



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