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Subject: Re: Shredder without its openings book is as dumb as any amateur !

Author: John Merlino

Date: 12:07:10 08/13/05

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On August 13, 2005 at 13:55:08, Jorge Pichard wrote:

>http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?441588

This is not a valid case. This was an FRC (Chess960) game, in which the old
rules of thumb do not NECESSARILY apply. In fact, the whole idea of Chess960 is
to prevent such rules from ever existing, and to simply find the best move!

I'm not saying that 3.Qh5 was the best move, or even a good move. For example,
in the opening position of this game:

[D]brnqnbkr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/BRNQNBKR w - - 0 1

CM9_R1 likes 1.b4, and who is to say that isn't the best move?

Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
0:00	1/3	0.15	966		1.Ncd3 Ncd6 2.Nf3 Nf6
0:00	1/4	0.45	1746		1.Ncd3 Ncd6 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.b3
0:00	1/5	0.16	3684		1.Ncd3 Ncd6 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.b3 b6
0:00	1/6	0.27	11775		1.Ncd3 Ncd6 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.b3 b5 4.e3
0:00	1/7	0.05	63546		1.Ncd3 b5 2.b4 d6 3.e3 e5 4.f4
0:00	1/7	0.16	84790		1.Nf3 b5 2.e3 Nf6 3.b4 e6 4.Nd3 Nd6
0:01	1/8	0.20	166065		1.Nf3 b5 2.e3 Nf6 3.b3 e6 4.Nd3 Nd6
0:01	1/8	0.24	267444		1.b4 e6 2.e3 b5 3.Ne2 Ned6 4.Nf3
					Ne7 5.d3
0:05	1/9	0.14	798696		1.b4 b5 2.f3 e6 3.Ned3 Ne7 4.e3
					d6 5.Ne2 e5
0:14	1/10	0.25	2233120		1.b4 Nf6 2.f3 d6 3.e4 Nb6 4.c4
					e6 5.Qc2 d5 6.exd5 exd5
0:35	1/11	0.16	5561961		1.b4 Nf6 2.f3 d6 3.e4 Nb6 4.Ne2
					h6 5.Ng3 e6 6.Bb5 c6
1:39	1/12	0.21	16373972	1.b4 b5 2.f3 e6 3.Ned3 f5 4.e3
					Ned6 5.Ne2 Nb6 6.Qe1 Bb7 7.Qg3

We all look to chess engines to provide insight to complex or unfamiliar
positions, so it seems a bit hypocritical to say that they don't know anything
in a position that we as humans are not familiar with?

In fact, the first five moves of this game look pretty bizarre to a patzer like
me. 1.e3 b5 2.b3 e6 3.Qh5. But you can't dismiss these moves out of hand simply
because they break the rules of ONE of the 960 possibilities of FRC.

jm



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