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Subject: Re: Shredder without its openings book is as dumb as any amateur !

Author: Telmo C. Escobar

Date: 13:35:06 08/13/05

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On August 13, 2005 at 15:07:10, John Merlino wrote:

>On August 13, 2005 at 13:55:08, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>
>>http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?441588
>
>This is not a valid case. This was an FRC (Chess960) game, in which the old
>rules of thumb do not NECESSARILY apply. In fact, the whole idea of Chess960 is
>to prevent such rules from ever existing, and to simply find the best move!
>
>I'm not saying that 3.Qh5 was the best move, or even a good move. For example,
>in the opening position of this game:
>
>[D]brnqnbkr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/BRNQNBKR w - - 0 1
>
>CM9_R1 likes 1.b4, and who is to say that isn't the best move?
>
>Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
>0:00	1/3	0.15	966		1.Ncd3 Ncd6 2.Nf3 Nf6
>0:00	1/4	0.45	1746		1.Ncd3 Ncd6 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.b3
>0:00	1/5	0.16	3684		1.Ncd3 Ncd6 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.b3 b6
>0:00	1/6	0.27	11775		1.Ncd3 Ncd6 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.b3 b5 4.e3
>0:00	1/7	0.05	63546		1.Ncd3 b5 2.b4 d6 3.e3 e5 4.f4
>0:00	1/7	0.16	84790		1.Nf3 b5 2.e3 Nf6 3.b4 e6 4.Nd3 Nd6
>0:01	1/8	0.20	166065		1.Nf3 b5 2.e3 Nf6 3.b3 e6 4.Nd3 Nd6
>0:01	1/8	0.24	267444		1.b4 e6 2.e3 b5 3.Ne2 Ned6 4.Nf3
>					Ne7 5.d3
>0:05	1/9	0.14	798696		1.b4 b5 2.f3 e6 3.Ned3 Ne7 4.e3
>					d6 5.Ne2 e5
>0:14	1/10	0.25	2233120		1.b4 Nf6 2.f3 d6 3.e4 Nb6 4.c4
>					e6 5.Qc2 d5 6.exd5 exd5
>0:35	1/11	0.16	5561961		1.b4 Nf6 2.f3 d6 3.e4 Nb6 4.Ne2
>					h6 5.Ng3 e6 6.Bb5 c6
>1:39	1/12	0.21	16373972	1.b4 b5 2.f3 e6 3.Ned3 f5 4.e3
>					Ned6 5.Ne2 Nb6 6.Qe1 Bb7 7.Qg3
>
>We all look to chess engines to provide insight to complex or unfamiliar
>positions, so it seems a bit hypocritical to say that they don't know anything
>in a position that we as humans are not familiar with?
>
>In fact, the first five moves of this game look pretty bizarre to a patzer like
>me. 1.e3 b5 2.b3 e6 3.Qh5. But you can't dismiss these moves out of hand simply
>because they break the rules of ONE of the 960 possibilities of FRC.
>
>jm

 1.e3 b5 2.b3 e6 3.Qh5 looks like an excellent opening setup, in my view. Yet CM
might be right that 1.b4 is even better. Both make sense.

  Telmo



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