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Subject: Re: u2600 ICC Rating List -- Feb 22

Author: Dan Homan

Date: 13:30:13 02/22/99

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On February 22, 1999 at 13:44:42, Bruce Moreland wrote:

>
>On February 22, 1999 at 08:14:05, Dan Homan wrote:
>
>>On February 22, 1999 at 04:09:49, Will Singleton wrote:
>>
>>>New Feature
>>>
>>>I thought I'd post a position each week, taken from member submissions
>>>from the current week's play.  Recently on the CCC board we've had a few
>>>positions posted, and these have helped me track down some problems with
>>>my code.  Probably just chance, but I think these things are helpful
>>>for programmers in that they can see how their results differ from others,
>>>and figure out why.
>>>
>>>So members, please send me interesting games that your programs play (or
>>>just the positions), and perhaps we can all benefit from the analyses.
>>>
>>>To start the ball rolling, here's a position from the game Amateur-LambChop,
>>>played on ICC yesterday.  For some reason, Amateur declined the easy move,
>>>which would have won quickly, and played a tricky move that led to a loss.
>>>On subsequent analysis, it took Amateur 9 ply to see the right move.  During
>>>the actual game (blitz), it only searched about 7 ply.  I'm thinking this
>>>might be some bug or other weirdness.  Does your program have any trouble
>>>finding the right move quickly?
>>>
>>>7k/2pn1Q2/2r4p/p1qpp3/Pp1b3N/1P1P2PP/2P1R2B/7K w - -
>>
>>Nice problem.  I'll have to look at it in more detail later, but here
>>are EXchess' results
>>
>>EXchess likes Qxd7 with a score of +3.3 until ply 6 where it switches
>>to Nf5.  The score Nf5 climbs to +4.1 in ply 7 and 8.  In ply 9, Nf5
>>fails low with a score of 0.6 and EXchess switches back to Qxd7 with a
>>score of 3.8.  Qxd7 fails high at ply 10....  I haven't run it deeper
>>yet.  Looks very interesting.
>
>This is another interesting FEN.
>
>7k/2pn1Q2/2r4p/p1qppN2/Pp1b4/1P1P2PP/2P1R2B/7K b - - 2 51
>
>This is the position after 51. Nf5 in the game.  The problem here is to figure
>out how long until your program thinks that white's advantage is much reduced.
>
>bruce

EXchess sees the big score change at ply 8.  Here are the results from
a rather slow machine (approx. P133 speed) which is running at half speed
due to a large astronomical calculation:  12 seconds to fail high,
20 seconds to resolve the score change. (~ 1-2 secs on a PII 400).

  3.  -3.43     0     2259   1. ... Qf8 2. Qxd7 Qc5
  3.  -3.43     0     2394   1. ... Qf8 2. Qxd7 Qc5
  4.   --
  4.  -3.70     0     5537   1. ... Qf8 2. Qxd7 Rc5 3. Qe6
  4.  -3.70     0     6364   1. ... Qf8 2. Qxd7 Rc5 3. Qe6
  5.   --
  5.  -4.01     0    16315   1. ... Qf8 2. Qxd7 Rc5 3. Qe6 Kh7
  5.  -4.01     1    19748   1. ... Qf8 2. Qxd7 Rc5 3. Qe6 Kh7
  6.   --
  6.  -4.40     3    45397   1. ... Qf8 2. Qxd7 Rd6 3. Qxc7 Ra6 4. Nxd4
  6.  -4.40     3    55103   1. ... Qf8 2. Qxd7 Rd6 3. Qxc7 Ra6 4. Nxd4
  7.  -4.31     6    84612   1. ... Qf8 2. Qxd7 Rg6 3. Nxd4 Qf1+ 4. Bg1 exd4 5.
Re8+ Rg8 6. Rxg8+ Kxg8 7. Qxd5+ Kh7
  7.  -4.31     8   111986   1. ... Qf8 2. Qxd7 Rg6 3. Nxd4 Qf1+ 4. Bg1 exd4 5.
Re8+ Rg8 6. Rxg8+ Kxg8 7. Qxd5+ Kh7
  8.   ++      12   166119   1. ... Qf8
  8.  -0.76    20   253475   1. ... Qf8 2. Qxd7 Rd6 3. Qxc7 Qxf5 4. Bg1 Rf6 5.
Bxd4
  8.  -0.76    22   291931   1. ... Qf8 2. Qxd7 Rd6 3. Qxc7 Qxf5 4. Bg1 Rf6 5.
Bxd4
  9.  -0.79    34   442201   1. ... Qf8 2. Qxd7 Rd6 3. Qxc7 Qxf5 4. Rg2 Qf8 5.
Bg1 Bxg1
  9.  -0.79    41   524971   1. ... Qf8 2. Qxd7 Rd6 3. Qxc7 Qxf5 4. Rg2 Qf8 5.
Bg1 Bxg1


I always find it interesting when EXchess shows a long line early on with
the wrong score/move but the right score/move has a much shorter pv.  I
tend to chaulk this up to overcoming null-move failures or a terminated pv
due to a hash table hit.

 - Dan



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