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Subject: Re: u2600 ICC Rating List -- Feb 22

Author: Peter Kasinski

Date: 17:55:16 02/22/99

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On February 22, 1999 at 20:16:36, Will Singleton wrote:

>
>So most of us need 9 plies due to the fact that the mating attack isn't seen
>till then.  However Zarkov (ply 7) and Crafty (ply 8, I think) see it earlier,
>and Crafty specifically doesn't use qsearch checks.  So I'm wondering how they
>see it earlier?  Some other extension, or null-move threat detection?
>
>For comparison, MacChess 4.0 also needs 9 plys, but Hiarcs 6 only needs 6 plys.
>
>This occurs again in the analysis for black's reply.  Zarkov sees the score jump
>at ply 6, where EXchess and Amateur must wait until ply 8.  And Zarkov uses
>fewer nodes.
>
>Some other points:
>
>I think I'm extending too much.  I got a 17-move pv in plys 7-8, and no one else
>showed anything much above 12 moves.  But seventeen is unusual.  And it didn't
>help at all, either, I still had to wait for 9 ply.  So, Bob's point about the
>qsearch being limited in value might be something for me to follow up on.
>
>Pedestrian never changes to Nf5 in the middle plys, unlike some of the others.
>Is it using some method to inhibit the good score achieved by the others, or
>what?  Might be helpful for him to run the second position, to check that.
>



Well here is the second position:

DEPTH   TIME     NODES    SCORE      PV
 1/1     0.2       188    -0.23      d7b6
 2/2     0.3      1411    -3.87      c5f8 f7d7
 3/5     0.3      2859    -3.85      c5f8 f7d7 c6c5 f5d4 e5d4
 4/6     0.4      5974    -3.88      c5f8 f7d7 c6c5 h1g2
 5/8     0.5     12116    -3.91      c5f8 f7d7 c6c5 h1g2 d4c3
 6/11    0.9     34833    -4.02      c5f8 f7d7 c6c5 f5d4 e5d4 h1g2
 7/14    3.4    168849    -1.13      c5f8 f7d7 c6d6 d7c7 f8f5 h1g2 f5h5
 8/16    5.3    275740    -1.26      c5f8 f7d7 c6d6 d7c7 f8f5 h1g2 f5h5 g3g4
 9/19   14.6    789701    -1.04      c5f8 f7d7 c6d6 d7c7 f8f5 c7b8 h8g7 h1g2
                                     d6d7 g3g4
10/25   71.7   3900347    -0.54      c5f8 f7d7 c6d6 d7c7 f8f5 e2g2 d6d7 c7c8
                                     h8g7 g3g4 f5f1 h2g1 d7f7


So the score drops after 3 seconds.

PK.



>PostModernist doesn't show Qf8 after Nf5, which he ought to investigate.
>
>Will



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