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Subject: Re: P4 Vs Athlon 64 bits

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 08:31:04 08/15/05

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On August 15, 2005 at 11:08:01, Mathieu Pagé wrote:

>>I believe the only difference is that the chip you are looking at can not be
>>used in a dual processor or better.  That is, it is a single-cpu only and can't
>>be used in a dual or quad MB.  I assume the cache doesn't have the NUMA cache
>>coherency stuff which makes multiple cpus impossible to use.
>
>Hi Dr Hyatt,
>
>After your last message I make some internet search and it seems that Athlon 64
>are effectively similar to Opteron, except the fact that they can not be used in
> a dual configuration.
>
>So you are maintaining that this thing is twice as fast as an Xeon 2.8ghz ?

absolutely.  Here is some data.  I'm going to use one cpu on my xeon 2.8ghz box
to search kopec position 22 to 14 plies...  Then I'll do the same on a single
opteron CPU.  First the xeon:

               14    52.77  -0.31   1. ... Bxe4 2. Bxe4 Qxc4 3. Qxc4 Rxc4
                                    4. Nxb6 Nxb6 5. Bd3 Rc7 6. Nd4 Rd7
                                    7. Nc6 a4 8. Bd4 Nfd5
               14->   1:35  -0.31   1. ... Bxe4 2. Bxe4 Qxc4 3. Qxc4 Rxc4
                                    4. Nxb6 Nxb6 5. Bd3 Rc7 6. Nd4 Rd7
                                    7. Nc6 a4 8. Bd4 Nfd5

and then the opteron:

               14    26.58  -0.31   1. ... Bxe4 2. Bxe4 Qxc4 3. Qxc4 Rxc4
                                    4. Nxb6 Nxb6 5. Bd3 Rc7 6. Nd4 Rd7
                                    7. Nc6 a4 8. Bd4 Nfd5
               14->  43.28  -0.31   1. ... Bxe4 2. Bxe4 Qxc4 3. Qxc4 Rxc4
                                    4. Nxb6 Nxb6 5. Bd3 Rc7 6. Nd4 Rd7
                                    7. Nc6 a4 8. Bd4 Nfd5

So, 95 / 43.28 = 2.19X faster.

Note that this is a 2.2ghz opteron, not 2.4, the 2.4 will be 10% faster still.
Also note that this is a 32 bit version of crafty on the xeon (the xeon is a 32
bit architecture) vs a 64 bit version of crafty on the opteron.

there is simply no comparison...




>
>btw I just saw you beat Diep, congratulations. I wonder how you manage that, I
>mean aren't you playing remotely? Unbelivable!

Yes.  Remotely, on a NUMA architecture with a program that knows nothing about
NUMA, and on a parallel NUMA box with 8 cpus with a program that won't scale to
8 cpus...

amazing...

:)


>
>Mathieu Pagé



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