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Subject: Re: To Robert Hyatt

Author: David Mitchell

Date: 00:56:14 08/16/05

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On August 16, 2005 at 03:06:43, Majd Al-Ansari wrote:

>Hi Bob,
>
>I have been following your implementation of new hardware with great interest.
>I think it is great to push software to match the leading hardware.  I was
>wondering what you think of Hydra's way of using programmable cards as a
>scalable way to increase hardware power.  Is it more cost effective?  Or do you
>think that as more and more cores get added to CPU's that is a better
>alternative.  While I am not a programmer, I was especially interested about
>Hydra's claim that adding "chess knowledge" does not reduce the programs speed.
>I think with every engine you can get reach certain positionss where even the
>best engine can play moves that even a 1800 player can do better.  I have one
>position in mind where Shredder 9 UCI will resign as black in an absolutely
>drawn endgame (gives evaluation +9.8) and I am sure you have similar experiences
>with certain positions.  Ofcourse the programmers are aware of these things but
>will not add this chess knowledge because it will reduce the strength of the
>program in other areas.  If Hydra's claim of being able to add chess knowledge
>without reducing speed is true, then isn't that the way to go?  Thanks
>

As an exciting chess experiment, Hydra ranks right at the top right now.

If the numbers thrown around are vaguely accurate, however, it will not be a
commercial success, or cost effective.

As the CPU's continue to increase in speed and overall throughput with
multi-cores, and come down in price, I don't see how a system like Hydra could
compete with that, year after year.

I'd love to see Hydra take on the WCCC top programs on 8 or 16 X opterons, and
see how that would sort itself out. Very interesting!

Unless Hydra's engineers find a way to really rev it up so much it can leave the
current high-end "workstation" + software systems in the dust, I'm afraid Hydra
will have no bed of roses in a few years, and what we're seeing is a unique and
fascinating museum artifact in action.

Dave



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