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Subject: Re: The Battle of the Generations: Fruit - Crafty

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 11:36:19 08/18/05

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On August 18, 2005 at 14:29:50, Tord Romstad wrote:

>On August 18, 2005 at 10:55:08, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>That is interesting, because this past week, I have played 43 games (long time
>>control).  21 vs shredder, 5 vs prodeo, 10 vs junior, 1 vs gnuchess, 2 vs fruit,
>>and a couple I don't remember, all via my "crafty" ICC handle.  Care to guess
>>how many times crafty's king safety caused a problem?  Absolutely zero.  So I'm
>>not sure I buy the "very often" part of the above.  It certainly has some
>>king-safety issues, as does most programs I see playing.  But it is not a "very
>>often" issue.  Unless you force Crafty to play certain openings that it doesn't
>>normally like to play...
>
>I confess that I do force Crafty to play openings it doesn't normally play.  I
>always run my tests from fixed starting positions, without opening
>books.  An opening book optimised for the program is certainly useful
>in important tournaments, but I think using them in test matches is a
>bad idea (unless, of course, the quality of the book is what you want to
>test).  When the program doesn't understand certain types of positions
>very well, it is better to try to improve its understanding of such positions
>than to pick opening lines which avoid them.
>
>Tord


Right, but my point was this.  If I don't test from positions where I don't
think Crafty will do well, then someone that does test from those positions is
going to draw a conclusion that might well be meaningless in a WCCC event where
Crafty will never reach such positions.



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