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Subject: Re: Vincent, Kurt, A Suggestion......

Author: David H. McClain

Date: 13:06:54 08/20/05

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On August 20, 2005 at 14:48:40, Vincent Lejeune wrote:

>Thanks for this great tournament ! Very long, but very valuable.
>
>would you organise a tournament between Zappa 2, Toga II 1.0, Spike 1.0 and
>Shredder 9 ?
>
>On August 20, 2005 at 01:51:20, Kurt Utzinger wrote:
>
>>Our RK 2005 (90m+30s) was perhaps our last big tournament.
>>Due to lack of interest of the chess computer community I do
>>not think that we shall again have the spirit to ever start
>>such a long lasting tourney. In almost all cases very few
>>or even no comments - contrary to a lot of dumb and short
>>blitz tourneys that are published every day. It's indeed
>>somewhat a frustrating disappointment. We are going to
>>concentrate on testing new engines. This seems to be much
>>more interesting for all people.
>>Regards
>>Kurt

Vincent,

I agree with all your amateur picks, perhaps someone could think of another to
match them not only against Shredder but add Junior, Gandalf, Fritz, etc.
Perhaps Zappa......... Your suggestion makes it appear that it's against
Shredder only.  Don't let the professionals play against each other.  Kurt just
did that.  Make it strictly amateurs against the professionals

This way a match wouldn't be strictly against Shredder.  Eight to ten programs,
split equally with professional and the great amateur programs we are now
seeing.

I may be wrong but the new Toga, Zappa and Fruit versions certainly are causing
serious problems with Shredder, Junior, Fritz and a few of the other
professional programs.  I don't think the outcome of a tournament like this
would be nearly as lopsided at Kurt's last one was deciding the winner.

A 90+30 or 120+15, etc., ~50-60 games each should give everyone a fair idea of
how these programs perform at long time controls.  I would wait until hell
freezes over to see these results!

Something like:

Fruit
Toga
Zappa
Spike
Glaurung
Shredder
Junior
Fritz
Gandalf
Chess Tiger
Hiarcs

These are just suggestions.  It would be up to Kurt.  All are very worthy
opponents.  DHM




>>
>>Details / Final cross table / Statistics / Games download
>>[http://www.utzingerk.com/rk_2005.htm]
>>
>>    Program                            Score     %    Av.Op.  Elo    +   -
>>  1 Shredder 9                     : 130.0/210  61.9   2489   2574   40  37
>>  2 Junior 9                       : 115.5/210  55.0   2496   2530   44  35
>>  3 Chess Tiger 15.0               : 107.5/210  51.2   2499   2507   47  32
>>  4 Fritz 8                        : 106.5/210  50.7   2499   2504   48  30
>>  5 Hiarcs 9                       :  99.5/210  47.4   2502   2484   35  46
>>  6 Gandalf 6.0                    :  98.5/210  46.9   2503   2481   32  46
>>  7 The King 3.33                  :  97.5/210  46.4   2503   2478   32  46
>>  8 Ruffian 2.1.0                  :  85.0/210  40.5   2508   2441   38  41
>>************************************************************************************



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