Author: gerold daniels
Date: 17:09:49 08/20/05
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On August 20, 2005 at 20:02:11, Bahram Namjou wrote: >zappa definitely still is not good in blitz games (less than 10 minutes). I saw >Hiarcs beat it in a row! 5-0 in playchess..bn > Was it the same Zappa that just won the world championship. >On August 20, 2005 at 19:47:58, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On August 20, 2005 at 16:31:26, Drexel,Michael wrote: >> >>>On August 20, 2005 at 16:17:34, Uri Blass wrote: >>> >>>>On August 20, 2005 at 16:06:56, Drexel,Michael wrote: >>>> >>>>>On August 20, 2005 at 15:57:58, Uri Blass wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On August 20, 2005 at 15:45:47, Jonas Cohonas wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>>i do hope they sell this program for money. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>IMO it is worth the money they would take. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>for all others version 1.0 is free. >>>>>>>>but i would like to see them making some profit out of it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>why not ? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I don't mind spending money on chess engines, not at all infact as i have spent >>>>>>>too much in proportion to what is rational :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>>However i think that it might be a mistake to try and profit from a program like >>>>>>>Zappa, as the time and energy it takes in setting up sales, costumer service, >>>>>>>webpage, extra gimmicks etc etc. in proportion to what you stand to earn >>>>>>>potentially is not worth it guess as the return, if any, would be really small >>>>>>>plus that time and energy could be spent making the engine even better. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>So unless Chessbase is waving a big check, i suspect it would be too much work >>>>>>>for too little money. (i would buy it myself, but what would "the average joe" >>>>>>>pick, chessmaster or ...Zappa). >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Jonas >>>>>> >>>>>>The average Joe is not important and I guess that there are going to be >>>>>>something like 10,000 buyers who are going to buy zappa for 50$ only as uci >>>>>>engine with no interface in the next year in case that it is sold. >>>>>> >>>>>>If 10$ of it is money that the programmer is going to earn then he can earn >>>>>>100,000$ for one year. >>>>>> >>>>>>Uri >>>>> >>>>>Most of your 10.000 buyers download Toga II and have something which performs >>>>>most probably much better on their single processor machine. >>>>>Just look at Kurts unbelievable results. >>>>> >>>>>Michael >>>> >>>>I am not sure about it because zappa is significantly improved so you do not >>>>know if TogaII performs better than it on one processor. >>>> >>>>I tend to believe the opposite but I am not sure about it. >>>> >>>>Uri >>> >>>The WCCC is played with different hardware,different books and special >>>preparation for the opponents. >>>I would never make any conclusions about playing strength of the engines >>>from such a tourney. >>> >>>Michael >> >>Fruit2.1 is free source code for 2 months and as Fabien said it still has search >>bugs and the same for Fruit of WCCC. >> >>I do not tend to believe that nobody could learn from it to generate >>significantly better program so I tend to believe that there is something >>significantly better than TogaII >> >>It does not seem to be Junior or Shredder or Sjeng based on the results and the >>only logical guess is new zappa. >> >>Uri
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