Author: gerold daniels
Date: 20:18:21 08/20/05
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On August 20, 2005 at 22:20:26, Bahram Namjou wrote: >I don't know...I think it says (zappa 1.0), May be this is a free version...bn > Hi Bahram. Yes that is the latest free version. The one that just won the championship is not released yes. :) It appears to be much stronger than 1.0 gerold >On August 20, 2005 at 20:09:49, gerold daniels wrote: > >>On August 20, 2005 at 20:02:11, Bahram Namjou wrote: >> >>>zappa definitely still is not good in blitz games (less than 10 minutes). I saw >>>Hiarcs beat it in a row! 5-0 in playchess..bn >>> >>Was it the same Zappa that just won the world championship. >> >>>On August 20, 2005 at 19:47:58, Uri Blass wrote: >>> >>>>On August 20, 2005 at 16:31:26, Drexel,Michael wrote: >>>> >>>>>On August 20, 2005 at 16:17:34, Uri Blass wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On August 20, 2005 at 16:06:56, Drexel,Michael wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On August 20, 2005 at 15:57:58, Uri Blass wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On August 20, 2005 at 15:45:47, Jonas Cohonas wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>i do hope they sell this program for money. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>IMO it is worth the money they would take. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>for all others version 1.0 is free. >>>>>>>>>>but i would like to see them making some profit out of it. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>why not ? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>I don't mind spending money on chess engines, not at all infact as i have spent >>>>>>>>>too much in proportion to what is rational :) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>However i think that it might be a mistake to try and profit from a program like >>>>>>>>>Zappa, as the time and energy it takes in setting up sales, costumer service, >>>>>>>>>webpage, extra gimmicks etc etc. in proportion to what you stand to earn >>>>>>>>>potentially is not worth it guess as the return, if any, would be really small >>>>>>>>>plus that time and energy could be spent making the engine even better. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>So unless Chessbase is waving a big check, i suspect it would be too much work >>>>>>>>>for too little money. (i would buy it myself, but what would "the average joe" >>>>>>>>>pick, chessmaster or ...Zappa). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Jonas >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>The average Joe is not important and I guess that there are going to be >>>>>>>>something like 10,000 buyers who are going to buy zappa for 50$ only as uci >>>>>>>>engine with no interface in the next year in case that it is sold. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>If 10$ of it is money that the programmer is going to earn then he can earn >>>>>>>>100,000$ for one year. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Uri >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Most of your 10.000 buyers download Toga II and have something which performs >>>>>>>most probably much better on their single processor machine. >>>>>>>Just look at Kurts unbelievable results. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Michael >>>>>> >>>>>>I am not sure about it because zappa is significantly improved so you do not >>>>>>know if TogaII performs better than it on one processor. >>>>>> >>>>>>I tend to believe the opposite but I am not sure about it. >>>>>> >>>>>>Uri >>>>> >>>>>The WCCC is played with different hardware,different books and special >>>>>preparation for the opponents. >>>>>I would never make any conclusions about playing strength of the engines >>>>>from such a tourney. >>>>> >>>>>Michael >>>> >>>>Fruit2.1 is free source code for 2 months and as Fabien said it still has search >>>>bugs and the same for Fruit of WCCC. >>>> >>>>I do not tend to believe that nobody could learn from it to generate >>>>significantly better program so I tend to believe that there is something >>>>significantly better than TogaII >>>> >>>>It does not seem to be Junior or Shredder or Sjeng based on the results and the >>>>only logical guess is new zappa. >>>> >>>>Uri
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