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Subject: Re: How should I handle this problem.....? Any help would be great!

Author: Joseph Anthony Merolle

Date: 10:14:24 08/21/05

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On August 21, 2005 at 12:28:21, Günther Simon wrote:

>On August 21, 2005 at 12:08:35, Joseph Anthony Merolle wrote:
>
>>On August 21, 2005 at 11:08:09, Joseph Anthony Merolle wrote:
>>
>>>On August 21, 2005 at 06:53:20, Günther Simon wrote:
>>>
>>>>On August 21, 2005 at 06:20:04, Joseph Anthony Merolle wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On August 21, 2005 at 06:13:18, Leo Dijksman wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On August 21, 2005 at 05:47:18, Joseph Anthony Merolle wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>It seem that when running chess applications such as S9 uci and S9 CB there
>>>>>>>seems to be a leak of some kind. When playing a game my KNS seems to be running
>>>>>>>optimally however as the game goes on my KNS tanks dramatically. For example I
>>>>>>>can start off 400 kns hitting plys of 18 for about 5 moves or so then as the
>>>>>>>game goes on it tanks to 27kns with plys of  8-10. Some times it picks up again
>>>>>>>only to tank. I ran extensive diagnostics and nothing failed.  I also ran AVG
>>>>>>>virus protection nothing was found and there is no throttling with throttle
>>>>>>>watch. Is there a problem with my computer, my install or applications (Shredder
>>>>>>>9, Chessbase and UCI)?. Any help in correcting this problem/s would be must
>>>>>>>appreciated. Below is my system config.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Processor	Mobile Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.06GHz
>>>>>>>Processor Speed	1.56 GHz
>>>>>>>Memory (RAM)	256 MB
>>>>>>>Operating System	Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition
>>>>>>>Operating System Version	5.1.2600
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Regards
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Jospeh
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You did not say how much you use for hashtables and egtbs, probably you have set
>>>>>>it to high!?  (Use 64MB or less)
>>>>>>Is 256MB RAM not a bit low for this PC?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Leo.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Leo ,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Sorry to say my hash is set low (44) and this still this happens. My tb is set
>>>>>to factory setting. With nothing running in back ground ether.. Thanks for your
>>>>>reply
>>>>>
>>>>>Joseph
>>>>
>>>>Disable XPs' automatical system recovery feature during the matches,
>>>>that should help, if not please ask again.
>>>>(when saying you run nothing in background, I guess you mean you also
>>>>have disabled AVG?)
>>>>
>>>>Guenther
>>>
>>>
>>>Guenther ,
>>>
>>>Thanks for the advise however can you tell me how to disable the system
>>>recoverly feature. In the mean time I will get some test positions and will post
>>>as aked for.
>>>
>>>
>>>Joseph
>>
>>
>>Ok here is an example with a test position
>>
>>
>>
>>6rk/1NR2p1p/8/3Qq3/3p4/PP1n1pPP/5P2/6K1 w - -
>>
>>Here Rook C7 is the rt move which my system finds however at 5 min of analisis
>>look at how the kns tanks. The hash is set to 96 mb if I dont set it that high
>>the system never finds Rook C7 because it tanks to fast. However the same
>>tanking  happens with lower hash (44.) I know it s not a hash problem (set to
>>high) because the position would never get off the ground (486 k/ns)(in the
>>first place if it was. Again there is nothing running in back ground in addition
>>I made sure to start with a fresh rebut.
>>
>>
>>
>>13/24	 0:01 	+2.55 	1.Rc6 Qf4 (446.782) 357
>> 14/29	 0:01 	+2.55 	1.Rc6 Qf4 (749.100) 396
>> 15/46	 0:17 	+2.30--	1.Rc6 Qf4 (8.472.320) 478
>> 15/46	 0:24 	+1.81 	1.Rc6 Rg5 2.Qd8+ Qxd8 3.Nxd8 Kg7 4.Rd6 Rc5 5.Rd7 Rc1+
>>(11.779.622) 487
>> 15/46	 0:27 	+1.82++	1.Rc7 (13.325.340) 485
>> 15/46	 0:29 	+2.17++	1.Rc7 (14.435.217) 486
>> 15/46	 0:35 	+2.42 	1.Rc7 Nf4 2.Qxf3 Nxh3+ 3.Kg2 (17.162.410) 486
>> 16/42	 0:58 	+2.67++	1.Rc7 Nf4 (25.562.221) 438
>> 16/42	 5:18 	+2.68 	1.Rc7 Qe5 2.Qxe5+ Nxe5 3.Re7 (32.512.932) 102
>>
>>
>>as you can see after 5 min analisis a horible 102 k/ns and droping at that....
>>
>>
>>Thank s for any additional help
>>
>>
>>Joseph
>
>
>Hi Joseph,
>
>For deactivating the system recovery:
>
>-> system control -> system -> system recovery
>-> check option deactivate
>
>You did not say though, that you were talking about position analysis
>(not games)and here especially late middle game, early endgame analysis.
>It may be that your slow down is a normal one, because of tablebases
>kicking in! Your last main line probably hits already a lot of tablebases
>and tbs probing can slow down kn/s to 25% sometimes, depends on the engine!
>I guess you probably have installed all 5 men and use them in your
>example?
>You can try to disable all tablebases for your test position above and
>it should not show such a slow down, _if_ all is ok with your machine
>setup.
>
>Regards,
>Guenther


No, not just position analysis I first noticed the problem playing engine
matches on Play.com. I started droping games (all) to people with 1/2 the
processor speed so I started to investigate. Then I noticed the dramatic K/ns
droping even with most men stll on the board so I know its not a TB issus.


:-(



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