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Subject: Re: Shredder - Toga II first look

Author: Rick Hagen

Date: 03:08:46 08/22/05

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On August 22, 2005 at 05:51:00, Kurt Utzinger wrote:

>On August 22, 2005 at 03:50:59, Rick Hagen wrote:
>
>>Hello Kurt,
>>
>>If Fruit-Toga is good at dealing with short books (like 5-move book), it should
>>also be good at FRC (?)
>
>      This must not necessarily be the case. At FRC there
>      are other rules guilty in my opinion. One example:
>      how to define the centre? Is it still e4/d4-e5/d5
>      despite the often very strange starting position.
>      I very much doubt.
>      Kurt

You have a point. But having read some analysis of some GM's playing in Mainz
FRC, the focus still remains on the center.
But enough on FRC, I know it's not your fav. subject ;)


>
>>There could be a hint if it is shown that Spike-Mainz does good at short books
>>also.
>>Anyway, the opening forms an important part of the game, so to neglect this
>>aspect and let engines play only from the (late) middlegame onwards is a bit of
>>a shame. (For testing purposes)
>
>      Fully agreed and this is one reason why we prefer
>      the testing with pre-defined positions or short books.
>      We would like to know the playing strenght of the more
>      or less naked engines and not the goodness of the books.
>      Kurt

Yes.
It's also good to know which engine is favourable for CC.
That is: would it be useful in letting an engine ponder over a position for
days? We know Hiarcs is not so good here, probably due to its selectivity
compared to e.g Shredder.

[...]

>>
>>As a PS. a question, Kurt.
>>What is your impression between the match Fruit 2.1-Shredder 9 at (very) long
>>time control Christian Koch was doing?
>
>     I have not (yet) the game of this match. Where
>     to get them.
>     Kurt

http://f23.parsimony.net/forum50826/messages/130998.htm
Shredder won 15.5-4.5
40/3hrs


>
>>
>>(I cut a nunn2 match short between the two at 90+30, after Shredder took a 8-1
>>lead... thought there was something wrong, until I watched the Christian match.)
>>
>>Keep up the good work, Kurt!
>
>      Thank you Rick.
>      Kurt

Rick




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