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Subject: Re: A test position for chess programs

Author: Vincent Diepeveen

Date: 08:46:14 02/24/99

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On February 23, 1999 at 16:17:09, blass uri wrote:

>3r1b1k/pp6/2n2q1p/2Bp1B1Q/5P2/1P4p1/P7/4R1K1 w - - 0 1
>
>This position is from a correspondence game
>
>White played 34.Re6(This is the best move and probably leads to a draw)
>
>This is a hard position for chess programs.
>
>Chessmaster6000 needed more than 20 minutes with ss=6
>and almost 8 minutes with ss=10 on pentium200MMX
>
>other programs are even slower and cannot solve it in a reasonable time.

We misunderstand here. You play correspondence chess here, but
want programs to find it within a few minutes, where you have 3 days
a move for?

Diep needs 90 minutes to show the correct line, that is however
AFTER research, where most programs show just the fail high time.

C:\DIEP>ipcc
Operator Time Set To 0 seconds
Book is on
Analysis mode is on
Allocating 79999920 bytes hashtables
Permanent brain is on
 # move freq games  score*2 learn ==> huge cache
       D I E P  1.60.02

black timeleft=27:46.40.00
 - = - r - b - k   ...       1    ...
 o o = - = - = -   ...       2    ...
 - = n = - q - o   ...       3    ...
 = - B o = B = Q   ...       4    ...
 - = - = - O - =   ...       5    ...
 = O = - = - o -   ...       6    ...
 O = - = - = - =   ...       7    ...
 = - = - R - K -   ...       8    ...
white timeleft=27:46.40.00
white to move

 # move freq games  score*2 learn ==> game cache
       D I E P  1.60.02
anal
Analysis mode is on
00:00 335 1 -2.43 Bc5xf8 Rd8xf8
00:00 351 1 -1.76 Bc5-e3
00:00 950 2 -2.52 Bc5-e3 Qf6-b2
00:00 1573 2 -2.43 Bc5xf8 Rd8xf8
00:00 3461 2 -2.22 Re1-e8 Rd8xe8 Qh5xe8 Qf6xf5 Qe8xf8 Qf5xf8 Bc5xf8
00:00 14329 3 -2.22 Re1-e8 Rd8xe8 Qh5xe8 Qf6xf5 Qe8xf8 Qf5xf8 Bc5xf8
00:00 15519 3 -2.18 Bc5xf8 Rd8xf8 Re1-e3
00:00 16262 3 -2.02 Bc5-e3 Nc6-d4 Bf5-d3
00:01 21663 4 -3.70 Bc5-e3 d5-d4 Be3-d2 Rd8-d5
00:01 27037 4 -2.18 Bc5xf8 Rd8xf8 Re1-e3
00:02 44773 5 -2.04 Bc5xf8 Rd8xf8 Re1-e6 Qf6-d4 Kg1-h1 Qd4-a1 Kh1-g2 Qa1xa2 Re6-
e2
00:04 91499 6 -1.82 Bc5xf8 Rd8xf8 Re1-e6 Qf6xf5 Qh5xh6 Kh8-g8 Re6-g6 Kg8-f7 Rg6x
g3 Qf5-b1 Kg1-f2 Qb1xa2 Kf2-e3 Qa2xb3 Ke3-f2
00:09 209748 7 -1.82 Bc5xf8 Rd8xf8 Re1-e6 Qf6xf5 Qh5xh6 Kh8-g8 Re6-g6 Kg8-f7 Rg6
xg3 Qf5-b1 Kg1-f2 Qb1xa2 Kf2-e3 Qa2xb3 Ke3-f2
00:23 562246 8 -2.26 Bc5xf8 Rd8xf8 Re1-e8 Rf8xe8 Qh5xe8 Kh8-g7 Qe8-d7 Qf6-f7 Kg1
-g2 Nc6-d4 Bf5-h3 Qf7xd7 Bh3xd7
01:20 1930554 9 -2.31 Bc5xf8 Rd8xf8 Re1-e8 Nc6-d4 Bf5-d3 Nd4-e6 Re8xf8 Qf6xf8 Qh
5-e5 Ne6-g7
01:52 2692155 9 -2.03 Re1-e8 Rd8xe8 Qh5xe8 Nc6-e7 Bc5xe7 Qf6xe7 Qe8xe7 Bf8xe7 Kg
1-g2
03:38 5284923 10 -2.33 Re1-e8 Rd8xe8 Qh5xe8 Qf6xf5 Qe8xf8 Qf5xf8 Bc5xf8 h6-h5 Bf
8-a3
04:22 6794494 10 -2.26 Bc5xf8 Rd8xf8 Re1-e8 Rf8xe8 Qh5xe8 Kh8-g7 Qe8-d7 Qf6-f7 K
g1-g2 Nc6-d4 Bf5-g4 Qf7xd7 Bg4xd7
06:40 10170540 11 -2.28 Bc5xf8 Rd8xf8 Re1-e8 Nc6-d4 Bf5-d3 Nd4-e6 Re8xf8 Ne6xf8
Qh5-f5 Qf6xf5 Bd3xf5 Kh8-g7
12:00 18038324 12 -2.86 Bc5xf8 Rd8xf8 Re1-e8 Rf8xe8 Qh5xe8 Kh8-g7 Qe8-d7 Nc6-e7
Kg1-g2 Kg7-f7 Bf5-d3 Qf6xf4 Qd7xb7
17:46 26473877 12 -2.53 Re1-e8 Rd8xe8 Qh5xe8 Qf6xf5 Qe8xf8 Qf5xf8 Bc5xf8 h6-h5 K
g1-g2 h5-h4 Bf8-h6
37:56 55914251 13 -2.36 Re1-e8 Rd8xe8 Qh5xe8 Qf6xf5 Qe8xf8 Qf5xf8 Bc5xf8 h6-h5 K
g1-g2 h5-h4 f4-f5 Nc6-d4 f5-f6
01:36:26 139050176 13 -1.50 Re1-e6 Bf8xc5 Kg1-g2 Qf6-b2 Re6-e2 Qb2-g7 Re2-e6 Bc5
-f8 Re6-g6 Qg7-b2 Kg2xg3 Qb2-c3 Kg3-g4 Nc6-e5 f4xe5 Qc3-d4 Kg4-h3 Qd4-e3 Kh3-g2
Bf8-g7
quit

Vincent
>Uri



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