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Subject: Re: Clones and moral behavior

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 01:03:51 08/23/05

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On August 23, 2005 at 03:51:13, Ryan B. wrote:

>On August 23, 2005 at 00:44:33, Cesar Contreras wrote:
>
>>"Clone" it's just a moral word. It seams to be intended to distinct "original"
>>from "not original" chess engines. Useless today in my opinion. Maybe a diferent
>>word can serve that good purpose for some more time.
>>
>>The fact it's that this diference don't exist anymore, most programs are pretty
>>unoriginal altought some have more original touches than others.
>>
>>So originality came in the form of some "touches of originality".
>
>I dont think people have a problem with copying ideas just source code.  If I am
>wrong I guess I need to scap the whole absearch thing...
>
>>
>>I see some similarities with "moralily" or "good behavior":
>>
>>* Nobody really know what does "clone" means
>
>a program that has source code from another program

Even this is undefined.
2 programs may have one line that is the same when no program is a clone of the
second program.

>
>>* Every chess programmer is afraid being named a "cloner"
>
>no fear here
>
>>* If you defend a cloner be ready to be named a "cloner"
>
>maybe, but how the person feals about him or herself is what really matters.
>
>>* If you discover a cloner, be ready to be named "X the just"
>
>?
>
>>* Every programmer it's tempted to "clone"
>
>I dissagree strongly.  How could it be more fun to rip someone off than program
>something yourself?
>
>>* Everybody it's ready to punish the "clonner"
>
>And they should.
>
>>* Every new strong engine on town must "hide something"
>
>Thank the cloners.
>
>>* "Clone" meaned one thing 2 years ago, now means something diferent, it's like
>>a fashion thing.
>>* Things that some years ago meaned "to clone", now are bean threated with more
>>open mind.
>>* Everybody agree clonning it's bad (except some freaks out there).
>>
>
>Always ment the same thing to me.
>
>>
>>My conclusion.
>>    * Typical nonsense human behavior.
>>    * Legality must be well defined, it's just wrong to punish someone for
>>something that undefinied.
>>
>
>wow
>
>>PD. I hope this is not copyrigthed.
>
>The few people out there that think cloning is ok is why is have not gone open
>sorce with my chess project.  My ideas will become public and nothing will be
>hidden when the time is right though.

Note that I do not think that cloning is ok but I think that it is better to
have a rule that cloning is ok than to have a rule that cloning is undefined.

Uri



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