Author: José Carlos
Date: 13:50:48 08/23/05
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On August 23, 2005 at 00:44:33, Cesar Contreras wrote: >"Clone" it's just a moral word. It seams to be intended to distinct "original" >from "not original" chess engines. Useless today in my opinion. Maybe a diferent >word can serve that good purpose for some more time. > >The fact it's that this diference don't exist anymore, most programs are pretty >unoriginal altought some have more original touches than others. > >So originality came in the form of some "touches of originality". > >I see some similarities with "moralily" or "good behavior": > >* Nobody really know what does "clone" means >* Every chess programmer is afraid being named a "cloner" >* If you defend a cloner be ready to be named a "cloner" >* If you discover a cloner, be ready to be named "X the just" >* Every programmer it's tempted to "clone" >* Everybody it's ready to punish the "clonner" >* Every new strong engine on town must "hide something" >* "Clone" meaned one thing 2 years ago, now means something diferent, it's like >a fashion thing. >* Things that some years ago meaned "to clone", now are bean threated with more >open mind. >* Everybody agree clonning it's bad (except some freaks out there). > > >My conclusion. > * Typical nonsense human behavior. > * Legality must be well defined, it's just wrong to punish someone for >something that undefinied. > >PD. I hope this is not copyrigthed. I agree with you and Uri about there's no clear definition of what a clone is. "Having source code of other engines" is miles away from clear. Example: I have in my code: int i = 0; Either it is in some prior program (I'm a cloner) or in some later program (he cloned me -early versions of Averno were open source-). Of course copying that line is not cloning. But then, what is cloning? Copying 5 lines? 10? 100? Only some specific lines? Maybe some "magic" numbers in evaluation? So please, if someone has an exact definition, post it here. BTW, I strongly disagree about everyone's tempted to clone. What's the fun of seing other people's creating winning games? What is really fun for me is seeing _my_ creation winning games. I'll never be able to understand what anyone can get from copying other's work. José C.
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