Author: Albert Silver
Date: 08:20:43 08/25/05
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On August 24, 2005 at 12:41:49, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>On August 24, 2005 at 05:20:43, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On August 24, 2005 at 04:10:36, Fabien Letouzey wrote:
>>
>>>On August 23, 2005 at 15:23:49, Ulf Flörsheimer wrote:
>>>
>>>>Does anybody know if, when and how the WCCC version of Fruit will be
>>>>distributed?
>>>>
>>>>Ulf
>>>
>>>I don't know myself.
>>>
>>>Professionals who came to WCCC said that Fruit is not a threat for their
>>>sellings.
>>
>>They do not know what they are talking about.
>>
>>I do not plan to buy Junior or Shredder or Fritz in case that fruit becomes
>>stronger than them.
>>
>>I am not the only person with these thoughts.
>>I do not say that professional are going to lose most of their customers because
>>of fruit but they certainly can lose customers unless they can be sure that
>>their program will be stronger than fruit so certainly the possibility of free
>>fruit is a threat for them(they cannot be sure that they will be able to
>>generate something better than future free fruit).
>>
>>Even in case that fruit does not become better than shredder,
>>there is still a risk that new programmers will learn from fruit2.1 and generate
>>something better than stefan.
>>
>>I think that Fruit may help stefan to improve Shredder but at the same time it
>>reduces his chances to keep the first place in the ssdf even if you never
>>release new fruit.
>>
>>Uri
>
>
>The Russians have a saying for that:
>
>"tough shitsky".
>
>If Stefan can't keep up, so what? Is that _anybody's_ responsibility other than
>his? Is it everyone else's responsibility to take actions such that Shredder
>stays on top? I don't see that responsibility being reasonable...
I agree. Fabien's decision shouldn't be made in order to protect the top spots
for the commerical engines. That would be just ridiculous unless he was getting
a cut in their profits or something. As to others improving, well, that's the
whole idea of making it open source, isn't it? The point is that the bar will be
that much higher. Let's not presume that somehow the limits of chess programming
have been reached or nearly so, since I think that isn't reasonable by any
means. Instead, Fabien has provided a top-notch blueprint from which to study,
learn, and improve upon. Crafty's is no less valuable of course, since they are
different, and thus offer different insights and approaches. Just as studying a
great book on strategy doesn't exclude one from studying another by another
offer. It may simply re-enforce some things one knows, or add something that one
didn't.
Albert
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