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Subject: Re: Quad scaling ?

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 08:29:43 08/25/05

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On August 25, 2005 at 10:32:52, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:

>On August 24, 2005 at 12:27:11, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On August 24, 2005 at 12:05:09, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>>
>>>On August 24, 2005 at 08:59:28, Thomas Logan wrote:
>>>
>>>>On August 24, 2005 at 08:47:33, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On August 24, 2005 at 08:20:25, Thomas Logan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Does anyone have scaling figures for various deep programs
>>>>>>
>>>>>>and systems with 2 dual core processors
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Tom
>>>>>
>>>>>hi, i just started a test at my k7 single cpu machine
>>>>>to compare an output created at a quad dual core 1.8Ghz.
>>>>>
>>>>>The test is over 213 positiosn and statistical significant.
>>>>>
>>>>>I expect results within 2 weeks.
>>>>>
>>>>>You can calculate what time it takes 70 minutes * 213 positions.
>>>>>
>>>>>one thing already seems sure:
>>>>>
>>>>>x86-64 has no scaling problems with big hashtables, x86 has.
>>>>>
>>>>>Vincent
>>>>
>>>>Hello Vincent
>>>>
>>>>Thank you
>>>>
>>>>Are you using Diep ?
>>>>
>>>>Any knowledge concerning Fritz, Junior or Shredder
>>>>Please post your results when obtained
>>>
>>>Shredder is scaling 3.3 at quad single core, so that'll be like scaling of 4 at
>>>dual core quad or so?
>>>
>>>junior was single core and fritz will not be scaling well either (deepfritz8).
>>>
>>>We know all this already from 8 cpu Xeon machines in fact. See results donninger
>>>posted once.
>>>
>>>If you don't run well at 8 cpu xeon then forget dual core.
>>
>>
>>Not necessarily.  8cpu xeon was a kludge.  Has same memory bandwidth as a 4-cpu
>>xeon.  Which means extra 4 cpus just cause a significant memory bottleneck.  I
>>ran on one of these multiple times.  Programs with little memory traffic scale
>>well, but those that require any reasonable memory access fall flat.  Dual cores
>>are not quite that bad but have the same basic problem, two cpus sharing a
>>single hypertransport and single memory controller, so each node (AMD
>>terminology) has internal contention that the single-core boxes do not.
>>
>>But the problems are solvable...  except perhaps for the 8-way xeon which is
>>just a bad box...  at least the ones I tested on (Dell was one vendor) were...
>
>8 cpu Xeon was great for Diep.
>
>I tested at one of the sheikh's 8 cpu Xeons (no hyperthreading) and
>it's very fast.
>
>Latency to memory is around 700ns when all 8 cpu's are busy.
>
>Perhaps not so great for Crafty, but diep can work excellent with it.
>

Fine.  One I ran on was two 4-cpu systems tied together using the Intel Fusion
chipset.  Memory bandwidth was exactly the same for a 4 cpu box and an 8 cpu
box, which means it was insufficient to keep 8 cpus running with Crafty.  Other
boxes run Crafty just fine, just not the 8-way xeon that I tested on...

8-way opterons, 16-way opterons and alphas, all work just great.  And others...

>>
>>>
>>>>Thanks again
>>>>
>>>>Tom



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